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I think a lot of folks - once they get some life experiences under their belt have a pretty good idea of their own core values and belief system; but maybe most folks don’t get into splitting hairs and all kinds of in-depth-thinking-Bible-nerd stuff; but in general, people are curious and like to explore things even if it’s just for fun; I’m that way…and if I’m checking out something new – I like to try and find guidelines or get some idea of the lay of the land…as you mentioned PFAL – that was like that for me…maybe a cobbled together patchwork – but it was somewhere to start for me… Yeah I understand what you’re saying…the whole social media scene is like a bizarro-world to me…everyone has something to say and they have to share it with others…or the living-vicariously-machine will stop running. On NPR I heard an interview with Bo Burnham (writer & director for the movie “Eighth Grade”) – commenting on folks who thrive on that whole social media buzz he said something like “can you enjoy living your life if there was no audience?”…so yeah I hear what you’re saying about too many alternative thoughts out there…fortunately we have the freedom to pick and choose what we want to focus on…I love the Internet for the vast resource of info on so many things…I hate the Internet for the vast resource of scams, cons, pseudo-knowledge and the goofballs that are smitten with their own image on the Internet.

In December 1957.....when wierwille started his independent undertaking of The Way, Inc., he was stumbling into the unknown. For 10 years (1957-1967), wierwille drove from city to city teaching B.G. Leonard's class, The Gifts of the Spirit, to mostly church people. By teaching 9-12 classes a year, wierwille was reaching an estimate of 200-275 new people each year. Yet, in 1960......the Troy/Piqua followers wanted vpw to move his operation from Van Wert to their area, NOT the wierwille farm. So, when Vic and Harry decided that the wierwille homestead was going to be the new headquarters of twi........a Troy/Piqua exodus was their response. Wierwille ran class after class in the 60's..............and the percentages of who committed to wierwille's "ministry" were dismal. Notice: Neither vpw or mrs. w document any signs, miracles or wonders from God during these early-to-mid 1960s. They have to reach back to the India trip or Van Wert days to fabricate anything of substance that would indicate the working of holy spirit. Seems like 1960-1967.........wierwille was in the wilderness [until the filming of pfal]. The filming of pfal in 1967 was wierwille's attempt to stay relevant. Wierwille NEEDED a steady stream of money (tithing)......or else, failure was imminent. This new pfal class was designed with a subliminal, subterfuge agenda.......to strip new students from their family, church, higher education and community and set up a new cult family. All of the support systems were to be undermined and eliminated.....and replaced. No, wierwille did not have some devious master plan behind this........just a narcissistic appetite that needed fed and the exploitation of the youth was a means to that end. Was wierwille planting a garden? Nope. Wierwille was planting a cult........one deceptive weed at a time.

If I were to place a bet on it (which I won't), I'd probably put my ducats on vpw ending up in "The Outer Darkness." I'm not sure of a lot of details, but it sounds like that's where people like him might end up. And if he doesn't end up there, I suspect he'd wish he DID.

The opportunity was there- a small window in history. wierwille wanted followers with no roots. He read about Leonard's class and plagiarized the entire class. He heard about Bullinger's work and plagiarized as much of it as he could manage. (About 4 sessions of the later versions of the pfal Foundational class were right out of "How To Enjoy the Bible.") He heard from Stiles and plagiarized his book, sometimes word-for-word, moving a few words around in later editions to conceal his plagiarism more thoroughly. So, wierwille had material, but where where the folllowers? He needed gullible, naive, well-meaning people with no roots whom he could con, trick, and impress, and convince to move around since they were already mobile. Then vpw read about the Christian hippies at the House of Acts. He rushed over there and did his best to recruit them while he trawled for information on orgies. (I'm unsure if he asked Jim D about them only out of prurient interest, or if he was trying to inveigle an invitation. Since he usually used this method to get in places- like the Jain Convention- I suspect he was trying to con an invite to one.) He conned some of the young, naive, well-meaning Christians, and diverted their work from simplicity in Christ to the cult assembly line he was assembling out of people. If there is a God (and I am fully persuaded there is) I'm confident vpw will be punished for all of that in addition to the crimes he successfully committed and hid.

Why didn't Walter Cummins teach the class instead of VPW? Wierdwillies arrogance would not allow him

Thanks chockfull....... So many threads..........so much information. Anyone who has a scintilla of anxiety/fear in exiting this cult......keep reading. Everything about Mrs. W's book, beginning with the wierwille lineage......OMG! are we supposed to believe that God has been waiting down thru the ages from Johann Heinrich Wierwille (1792-1889) ----> Herman Heinrich Adolph Wierwille (1828-1887) ----> Henry Ernst Wierwille (1875-1956) ----> Victor Paul Wierwille (1916-1985)..........to bestow upon us this "rightly-divided word?" The haughtiness of wierwille's narcissism wreaks thru even this sanitized edition of wierwille's legacy. But there is no mistaking that wierwille stole B.G.'s class outright and ran it as his own........and then, plagiarized from other men's works to add filler and pass it off as his own research (cough, cough). When the timeline is followed........there was NO WAY wierwille had any inkling of a "twi" or class-based system when he barged into Leonard's class in Calgary, Alberta. Again, arrogance and narcissism. Even the pictures in Mrs. W's book.........show that wierwille was a nobody, a back-bencher around other men of the cloth. And, Dr. Williams the president of the All-India Federation of National Churches AND pastor of the St. Paul's Hindustani Church in Byculla, Bombay AND strict devotee of Indian history........was host to the wierwilles during that India itinerary. Dr. Williams is the one who opened ALL THE DOORS and gave vpw access into the Jain Convention, where this western Christian (wierwille) was granted a 20-30 minute teaching in a week long festival. Yawn. How many of them would even remember his name? How many of them took this as an opportunity to go use the restroom? Dr. Williams translated for vpw. Wanna bet that out of respect for Dr. Williams the American got to even speak at all? All of the boasting and pontificating that we had heard all those years in the cult. Wierwille was a piker and a fraud. The only reason to keep this site going..........is to SET THE CAPTIVES FREE and WARN OTHERS. ~~~~~~~~ Outreach beyond vpw's congregation The Wierwille Legacy.....Who will write the book? Twi began its independent undertaking on December 19, 1957 Self-Referential Greatness

Yessssss! A weed "garden" geared towards the production of one specific type of flower.... The Narcissist Red Rose! And surrounding dandelions! LOL Excellent thread skyrider!!!!!!! Your systematic expose of VP the Narcissist through the eyes of realism and details in Mrs. VP's book are truly enlightening!!!!! Your summation of decades of Way bruhaha into core element summaries and paragraphs are fantastic! This type of thing is a resource out there so the young don't have to fall into the same traps if they so choose to educate themselves and obtain wisdom!!!!