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Sounds marginally better than the Way. If I was leaving the Way right now and had to choose where to go, this would be better than a Way fellowship. I guess when you're just leaving you're in that vulnerable spot again where you don't trust anyone or anything to do with religion, God, church, whatever that people are trying to sell you. You've been indoctrinated against mainstream Christianity with all of VP's teachings on how all denominations were run by seed men. So at first it's really hard to fit in with a church family, especially one who has been "believing the trinity" for decades. So in that state, this probably would be among your best options. Plus, there's all the "prosperity gospel" BS to deal with in mainstream Christianity, as well as other politics, etc. Even all the worship services have changed dramatically to a more modern format. You don't know any of the songs to sing because the only ones you know were out of "Sing Along the Way" for decades. The greeters with coffee and donuts seem like aliens. But to me here is the rub with mainstream Christianity. Whatever else is controversial in the Bible, the teaching on Jesus as head of the body in Corinthians is not. So if Jesus is head of the body, not Rosalie, or Jean Yves, or some combination of Moynihan plus Horney, then the church I am attending may be located down the arm, or the leg, or whatever. But it certainly isn't the whole body. But with cults you have the Moynihans the Horneys, the Rosalies and the Jean Yves all acting as if they were the head of the body. Or in this state Moynihan and Horney are too confused to fall into that role, but over time it will migrate that way. Look at every other splinter. Look at Christian Family Fellowship for a model of how this works. This is the model of how to become an antichrist. This is wrong. If Paul teaches that my Lord and Savior's followers will function like a human body interacting, then that is what I will look for in his followers. Not antichrists. Then , when you run across a perspective like the local New Knoxville pastor (who wrote a quote about Undertow - penworks book) who speaks of building a local community where people can find healing not needing an "anointed man of God" you know he has the proper perspective.

Hey, Moynihan............... If wierwille had lived longer........maybe we would have seen him led away in handcuffs (like Harvey Weinstein).

What does it take to stop their getting a non-profit status?

Moynihan was WRONG in his "counsel" of the mark/avoid brother attending his sister's funeral. .........hard-hearted to the person, lockstep loyalty to the twit-cult. Moynihan could LEARN FROM US HERE AT GREASESPOT..............not having us learn from him. Sheesh.

Yeah, at first.........it seems marginally better than the Way. But really..........the "start-up sweetness" wears off and it just becomes same old, same old. Many who went to CES for years, don't anymore. Many who went to CFF for years, don't anymore. And, for me...........since I had bad (bossy) experiences with Moynihan, and with Fort.......I would have no interest in following their lead. I mean, what's to follow? Those guys were indoctrinated into the cult for nearly 50 years......and then, think they can just pick up where they left off and "lead others." LOL

So, in other words...........you go, you sit, they teach and then, you leave. Is there anything else besides them teaching? Any group-research sessions? Any Q&A out-in-the-open feedback.....without condescension/blacklisted? Have they instigated the mark/avoid policy yet? Any children activities or teen events? How about community involvement of any kind? If I give them my hard-earned money, where does it go? Seems to me.......that the mother-cult became so lethargic that "teaching" was the gold-standard for "living/doing the word." I don't know.........but this phone hook-up stuff seems so pathetic and generic and impersonal.

Why pay for insurance when you can pay for a class that will make you think you don’t need it.

We’re like Scientology... but without the celebrities

What I think is so amazing is how these people thought it was okay not only to expel people (at will) from various programs, but to order them out of the state or the town. And the victims complied! This, to people who may have given up good jobs, sold property at a loss, moved hundreds of miles (if not to say, moved from another country), disrupted children's education, etc - probably having become alienated from their family and friends who would form a support group - and it's okay to tell people who have demonstrated so significantly their commitment to the cause, that they've gotta be out of town in a few hours. Talk about a power imbalance - "leadership" exercised unfettered "rights" and the victims were so bullied and weakened that they were unable to resist. All because they were being "obedient to God." Grr! It's easy to see to whom such leadership had demonstrated so significantly their commitment - to the one who steals, kills and destroys. God might have a few things to say to such bullies about obedience and meekness.

Nice summation. The RnR Railroad. For sure. Same train, same rails, different vision. LOL. "The only thing we learn from history is that mankind learns nothing from history" Stephen R Donaldson

Serving God out of reverence and love looks a LOT like serving God out of necessity. In either case, you'll be respectful to Him and do what He says. The main difference would be the motivation, but in either case you should be serving, which would look exactly the same either way. In one case, because one is saved and respects and reveres, and in the other case, because one respects and reveres, and has confidence He's the horse to back and so his side is the saved one.