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Great information here. I was just reflecting on EW Bullinger as one of VP's most prolific source of plagiarized material. He lived December 15, 1837 – June 6, 1913 Bullinger died in 1913, meaning any plagiarism claims would have to be made by his descendants, making this highly unlikely. Also Juanita Carey, a Way person, published a biography on Bullinger. What better way to control the dialogue about his life? There was certain to be included information on the "Trinitarian Bible Society" that Bullinger was a part of most of his life so that Dic could illustrate how Bullinger "would have got to the Word he got to" if he had lived or some such nonsense. A relatively unknown Biblical scholar, a century earlier, with published works where copyright is in the public domain, not pursued by anyone. Just another ripe source for cherry picking material to cobble together a "Biblical research ministry". Truth is certainly stranger than snow-covered gas pump fiction.

Don’t Worry, I really appreciate all the intriguing details you’ve been posting about the humble - naw , scratch that - I mean bumble beginnings of a cult. and thanks to WordWolf, Chockfull, Socks and everyone else who have commented

I remember wierwille saying something like that "He even said once, I believe Bullinger would have gotten to Jesus Christ is not God had he lived long enough.” – maybe it was at Advanced Class ’79. == == == == and I remember another thing he said in reference to Bullinger – maybe it was in that same setting – can’t recall his exact wording but it was something like “ you can squeeze the Word so hard that you’ll have error running out through your fingers.” there’s some sneaky things about wierwille’s somewhat derogative statement of Bullinger: - criticize and detract from one of his biggest plagiarized sources…so much for the “mathematical exactness and scientific precision” of “The Word”… - as much as wierwille twisted and mangled the interpretation of the Bible – and yet elevated himself so much above Bullinger is like Jack the Ripper saying he’s a better surgeon than any qualified medical practitioner...wierwille always had a tendency to present himself as head and shoulders above many of the people he referred to - like he was so far ahead of them in rightly dividing the Bible... and maybe even more importantly supposedly having God as his own personal tutor. I seriously doubt if wierwille could have been intellectually objective in looking at another person’s work - let alone grasping the salient points – I could be wrong but I suspect his intent to steal their work and cover his tracks was the overriding principle to thwart such "insignificant issues". I guess he figured he had more to gain by stealing and lying than by truly learning and being an honest teacher... or maybe he just misunderstood the "make it your own" idea of becoming thoroughly knowledgeable of studied material...he took that literally (< note the double entendre - includes plagiarism ) - - and put his name on it

Juanita Carey! Now THERE’S a flash from the past! She was very close to Peter J. Wade, kinda like “his” Donna Randall. She was a serious student of textual criticism in Koine Greek. She also wrote 2 of those 56 “collaterals” I told you we received when I first took piffle in 01/1971. Peter J. Wade was credited with 3 of those collaterals. So, roughly 10% of the 56 printed collaterals given with piffle were written by Wade and Carey. Carey got run off when Wade was. I vividly remember sitting in at a corpse meeting (2nd & 3rd) in the spring of 1972 in the BRC, where dic and coward read a series of letter exchanges between them and Peter Wade who was back in Adelaide, Australia by that time. Those exchanges were nasty and mutually accusatory. I was in OH working on the first PDSTRO album, and when I finished my tracks, I went to HQ for an “official” visit. I was a full-time employee area leader for Brooklyn/Queens in NY at that time, working with Steve & Laurie Perez out of The Way of Long Island. That was 2 months before the wierwille putsch which annexed both The Way East and The Way West in one fell swoop in March, 1972. An interesting side note RE: the Rye AC 1972; I was assigned to pick up a Dr. and Mrs. James John, at the Indian Mission to the UN in Manhattan, NY, and take them to a dinner reception at the home of John and Julie Lowery, in their home in Rye, NY prior to the opening session of the AC, in the main sanctuary of the Rye Presbyterian Church the following evening. I was told that these two diplomats met vp during his trip to India in 1956, and were active now with the Indian National Church, and representing “Indian Christian interests” at the Indian Mission to the UN. This was confirmed by Dr. and Mrs. John during our ride together from Manhattan to Rye.

I suspect that for the most part they are willfully ignorant.

Are The Dead Alive Now, as well as the entire “seed-boy” crap came from Bullinger’s article in his Research Journal, “Of Things To Come”, entitled “The Witch of Endor.....”, along with a BG’s teachings on devil spirits in his Gifts of the Spirit class. Dictor had all 23 volumes of “Of Things To Come”! Donna Randall showed me dic’s personal research library. It was in a wall safe in his office. I had access to them a couple of times, but that didn’t last after I asked some questions that Moggie-Pooh couldn’t answer. Dic stole almost all of Bullinger’s works, then sold them in the bookstore to validate that his “research” was original, and that Bullinger proved it. He even said once, “ I believe Bullinger would have gotten to Jesus Christ is not God had he lived long enough.” LOL! Same thing with RTHST. After even just a brief investigation of Bullinger writings with dictor’s “writings”, it becomes almost immediately obvious, that there are LENGTHY sections of many Bullinger works which are lifted almost verbatim by dic in many of his “writings”, but most definitely in his so-called “research”, and ALL the corpse night teachings on Romans, Ephesians, Thessalonians, and I&II Timothy. BTW, da forehead did the same thing with his “Lies & Deception” book too. The entire basis of his 8 great statements is lifted from appendices in Bullinger’s Companion Bible. Like faddah-in-da-woid, like son! LOL!

I agree heartily- but need to add something. There's a "false bifurcation" in effect. There's people who keep claiming one or another POLAR OPPOSITES and using the other position as a "strawman". That is, since one extreme is ridiculous to believe, I must accept the other extreme is true. NO. Ok, righteousness never came from the law because it couldn't- and our conduct could never match up- as in humanity's conduct in any century, any country. So, "incorruptible seed" that was a "gift of eternal life." Can't suffer corruption (rot), can't end (eternal), can't be earned (gift). Ok, that's clear enough, as far as it goes. Then there's people like vpw who say "since I can't lose eternal life, I can sin all I want, and if I cover my tracks on Earth, I'm golden because God won't punish me for it." Ah, no. There's lots of notices for us to TRY to conduct ourselves as best we can- with clear instructions on how to do that. We're expected to put forth an honest effort, and not just do whatever because we're saved. I'm confident God has it covered- lesser rewards for those who did little, and actual penalties for those who did absolutely nothing or did poorly because they counted on unkillable salvation to insulate them from the consequences of their freewill actions. Come on. If I can come up with systems that cover it (and I can), I'm sure God Almighty can-and did- come up with specifics that are effective and sufficient. So, I reject "do as you fool well please" because it's unBiblical. I reject an ending to "eternal" , a corrupting of "incorruptible" again, because it's unBiblical. As far as I'm concerned, most of what I've heard on the subject, from a lot of sides, is all either rephrasing of that, or just posturing.