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The answer usually given has been cognitive dissonance. They've been lied to. They've accepted the lies. They live in a false reality. They now lie to themselves and have to protect that reality for the sake of sanity or a sense of stability. At this point, when they speak to others, constantly defending their little world, are they even able to recognize they are lying to others?

Raf from a straightforward unbiased reading that is not tainted by prior doctrine I fail to see how you could interpret, or take this any other way than you just explained it. I concur.

I wonder if this is the case just for the same reason that Internet news sites like to put up articles that have lists in them. "The 10 things you can do to succeed at your job" or "The 5 warning signs your marriage is in trouble". "The 3 Gods you can turn to in times of trouble". All right - before I get blasphemy labeled here, what is the difference between that and the "7 Redemptive Names of God" - Jehovah - my car wash or whatever? Talk to the daddy, talk to the brother, talk to the spirit guy. Jesus carries the authority of God, so if I rap with him as opposed to the Father, am I not talking to the Father? What does dying on a hillside of separate identity gain you?

Time to Rise UP! ... oh, wait that's not it. Oh yeah, March 4th! It reminds me of someone I once knew... Then again, it's never the wrong day to Rise UP!

Sure - so after research, here are some sources: http://www.nickiswift.com/100872/untold-truth-billy-graham/ http://historicaljesusresearch.blogspot.com/2018/02/why-billy-graham-gets-c.html https://eatapeckofdirt.com/2018/02/22/billy-graham-is-dead-god-save-america-from-false-prophets-amen/ Major criticism summary: 1. Anti-semitic 2. Chose politics over genuine evangelism message - even according to him. He courted the Presidents. 3. Succession - Franklin has issues. Where I do see the major difference between Billy and Victor Paul Wierwille is that Billy was not a drunken adulterer and plagiarist. I see no accounts of him obtaining a "sex motor coach" and traveling around the country. He notoriously would not be alone with a woman not his wife. But sure he had other issues. So does the empire run by his son.

If aspects of the trinity are shown to occur across time and peoples and religions I'm not sure how one can conclude it to be false. The Way focuses in and hyper emphasizes The Father aspect. Which has its role and benefits, such as order and protection, but taken to an extreme represents tyrannical nature.

Exactly.

Rocky, how kind of you to remember WC on his Birthday!

Thank you Grace, I appreciate your kind words, I try to post interesting, informative content, it's nice to be appreciated, thank you

Exactly why I brought this side of the story into this thread Grace Now everybody knows Was he a great preacher - emphatically yes! Was he a great Christian - emphatically no! And there's worse about him, just keep digging, it'll come out

The Truth about The Trinity I see alot of discussion back and forth about the Trinity, but very few scriptures backing up points of view, so I offer this: The top 2 authorities that God sent to represent Him in the New Testament were Jesus Christ and the Apostle Paul Both of them stated very clearly that the Father is the only God Jesus said it more clearly, in John 17:1, Jesus Christ is speaking out loud and directly addresses his Father, and in verse 3, Jesus says: "And this is life eternal that they might know thee, THE ONLY TRUE GOD." So in this verse, Jesus Christ is clearly declaring that his Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. That pretty much leaves out anyone else being God. - Jesus is not God - the holy spirit (the gift of eternal life from God) is not God - Jesus Christ's Father is the only true God. The Apostle Paul said in I Corinthians 8:6 ~ "...but to us, there is BUT ONE GOD, THE FATHER..." Very clear. The Trinity is best summarized in the following statement: "God the Father, God the Son, God the holy spirit" - The word 'Trinity' is not anywhere in the Bible - The phrase 'God the Son' is not found anywhere in the Bible - The phrase 'God the holy spirit" is not found anywhere in the Bible The Trinity is not a Biblical doctrine The Trinity is not a Christian doctrine The Trinity is a false doctrine Yes there are verses that seem to imply that Jesus is God, but those verses are either figures of speech or unclear. But those figures and unclear verses do not negate the very clear verses that very clearly say that Jesus Christ's Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD. The other verses only throw shade, but they do not eclipse the clear verses. The unclear verses must fit together with the clear verses, because they are all the word of God, and God is not the author of confusion. ###

You need to read more carefully Twinky Both groups of people, Christians, and also non-Christians (who apparently according to Rev 22:2 will be allowed to live on the new earth), both groups have physical bodies. But as I clearly stated and documented from scriptures (see scriptues I posted) in my initial post, the physical bodies of the Christians in the new heaven, which are their earthly, natural bodies glorified to be physical bodies just like Jesus Christ's body after he was raised from the dead (Luke 24:39). The Christian's glorified, physical body is the spiritual body referred to in 1 Corinthians 15:44 ~ "there is a natural body, and a spiritual body". The spiritual body is not a spirit (Luke 24:39). It is logical that the glorified, spiritual body of the Christians will not decay or get sick or die. They are eternal, and healthy, in nature. Stands to reason. The scripture in Rev 22.2 points to the idea that there is a different 'Salvation' for 'the nations' that apparently do not have glorified, spiritual bodies like Christians will have (see verses I quoted) Apparently the 'nations' in this verse refers to non-Christians. True Christians (those who have received the holy spirit because of believing in Jesus Christ) WILL have glorified, spiritual bodies, which have eternal life, and logically will not get sick or decay and not need the leaves of the tree for healling The other people who did not have a chance to receive the holy spirit for whatever reason, and thus do not have their natural bodies glorified into perfect spiritual bodies that have eternal life because of not receiving the holy spirit for whatever reason, even though they did not commit sins worthy of eternal danmation, those people are apparently allowed a different 'Salvation' different from Christians' Salvation of eternal life in glorified, spiritual bodies and being children of God by being born again Those other people will apparently according to Rev 22:2 be allowed to live on the new earth, but apparently in non-glorified natural bodies similar to the ones we have now, and those natural bodies will also get sick and decay, and will need the leaves of the tree for healing, which Christians will not need This short scripture in Rev 22:2 is not well known but opens the door to explain what happens to all the people who did not have a chance to be born again for whatever reason It is not reasonable to believe that all those people (probably in the billions) will automatically be damned to eternal damnation just because they didn't have a chance to receive the holy spirit by believing in Jesus Christ for whatever reason God can be cruel at times, but to just cast millions and millions of people into damnation because they lived at a time when receiving the holy spirit was not available yet, or because they lived in a place where it was not possible to hear the gospel of Salvation and believe in Jesus Christ does not reflect God's just nature, which is huge and loving and righteous

Did you say "get the ball rolling" or get the kaballa rolling...for it sounds like that's your current freak - some sort of hidden, mystical kaballa-esque gnostic esotericism. I'm fascinated with you...you either truly believe this stuff (which is disturbing) or your ability to carry on this ruse borders on evil genius.