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It pains me deeply to read so many stories here... So many have been hurt, in so many ways, by so many people and organizations...some in incalculably painful ways that have damaged their beings to their very core, for so long...and many times only because they were genuinely seeking truth and fellowship... It has happened since the beginning of the world, and will continue to happen till the end of the world, in religions, churches, businesses, clubs, corporations, governments, homes, schools, etc.: We must not let other people's actions drive us to hurt others: https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/mich-model-shoots-her-husband-030519815.html Thank God that he anointed his son Jesus Christ to set at liberty them that are bruised...if we emulate his ministry, we can help ease all the pain, ours and others'... The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised... Luke 4:18 I pray for all the poor, the brokenhearted, the captives, the blind, the bruised....here and everywhere...

I do not see that this says, Love a book (not even a bible) - not love PFAL. I do see that it requires some practical application, otherwise, how else will you love your neighbour? By reading the house number on the letter box? How do you love yourself? Is it by reading your diary? Or is it by being kind to yourself, and trying to understand your own strengths, weaknesses, vulnerabilities, and physical needs. Do you seek warm clothes and a roof over your head, in bad weather? Help someone less fortunate. Do you enjoy sufficient food every week? Help someone who has less. Do you get help or companionship at your "low times"? Come alongside someone who needs that help or companionship. Put the book down, Mike, and leave the internet alone. Take a couple of months off and spend that time engaging in a meaningful way with the people around you.

If you look back at old threads, you'll find that the GS community HAS ALREADY HELPED VERY MANY PEOPLE to recover from the hurt inflicted by TWI. And if you, Mike, adopt a realistic model, and not the "Pure Good" that you seem to have adopted, you might find that you could help much better those who are trying to escape TWI's influence. And not just those people - you could help much better those in the world who suffer so many difficulties in daily life.

Mike: you are now claiming to "like learning." And for some obscure reason you think proofs are not possible in the (shall we call it?) metaphysical area. This thread is basically for YOU to show how YOU are learning - in precisely that metaphysical area of life - your understanding and empathy of PEOPLE. How YOU understand now about the hurt that has been caused. I am STILL WAITING for you to share any genuine expression of empathy, understanding, care, concern, for the people whose lives have been so very damaged. and for the ongoing hurt and damage, that lingers now, perhaps decades after their involvement with TWI has ceased. Perhaps if you actually "put yourself in the shoes of" some of the victims, you'd begin to understand and begin to get some of the "proofs" that you seek. If you can't empathise with the hurt coming through in the written stories here from the victims, then perhaps you could get alongside some victims in real life. Get out and help at a homeless centre; work with victims of abuse; work with people with barely enough money to live on and who have severe debt problems; there are many ways to get involved with real people. Talk with people, and find out what has happened in their lives. I warn you, it takes time to work with damaged or vulnerable people and receive sufficient trust so that they will let you in and share the whys and wherefores of their current situation, and it'll be a painful journey for you.

Well well well. The topic of Hirschfeld came to mind earlier today after an acrimonious exchange with a former WC17 member and Gunnison staffer on someone's FB wall. Upon reviewing the vitriolic ex- WC 17 members profile, and seeing that he is the CEO and President of an LLC investment group, I Googled his company. It was started in 2008 in Centennial, CO. That triggered my memory. Adam Hirschfeld moved from Castle Rock, CO to Centennial, CO. Subsequently he was indicted in 2015 for securities fraud for an 18 month period between 2010-2011. He also failed to inform clients that he was under investigation at the time for prior violations: https://www.colorado.gov/pacific/dora/Adam-Edward-Hirschfeld-indicted As if that is not enough, he is now a defendant in a 2017 civil suit brought by former employer DTE: https://www.pacermonitor.com/public/case/21968613/DTC_Energy_Group,_Inc_v_Hirschfeld_et_al So the plot thickens. Hirschfeld's first business was based out of his home. WC17 guy is running an investment corporation with a listed address as his Centennial address. My advice to investors? Go to Vanguard.