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You want cringeworthy? "The Word, the Word, and nothing but the Word." "We have no friends when it comes to the Word" In both instances the Word is not the bible, but whatever Saint Vic says.

Happy new year, people. God bless and guide you in this coming year into peacefulness of heart and joy in His presence.

Yeah definitely when you mix those phrases up with "the suggestion of a leader is tantamount to a command", you have a scenario where you'd best watch out before drinking Kool-Aid.

If St Vic were alive, he'd probably be in prison.

"The Word" - just what is that? Not so often encountered as an expression outside TWI, but when someone comes out with that, I think, or maybe ask: "What do you mean by that?" Does the person mean Jesus, or the Bible, or something/someone else? One could have some fun with that. If someone's "doing the Word" are they doing (as in doing over, hurting, beating up) Jesus? Kicking their Bible round the room? If someone's "off the word," were they balancing on a thick book and fell off, like falling off a kerb at the edge of the road? Or would they be off the word as in off their food if they were ill? Anyway, I don't care. Just say what you mean, if you're near me.

If Saint Vic were alive he'd probably plagerize O'Reilly's Killing Jesus, claiming it as his own.

Two things, Mike...... Exploitation Indoctrination No matter how much you idolize wierwille and his writings, he also initiated and implemented the corps work/study program. The corps "training" program was a product of his oversight and involvement. In 1978, when I went in-residence.........the plumbers, electricians, carpenters, and masonry workers in the 7th corps (elder corps) were shipped off to Camp Gunnison to work. So, many of these guys missed whole swaths of classes.......Greek, Aramaic, Thessalonians, etc.......and were put to work for 8-10 hours per day (ie exploited for work, because the "academic side of the corps program" was a scam). And besides, lots of the "in-house teachings" were indoctrination anyways. In the Spring of 1979........lots of corps were sent to work at L.E.A.D. hdqts. Same deal.......plumbers, electricians, etc. Go ahead and point out that corps people were "overloaded with activities and responsibilities"..........but then, ask the follow-up question, why? Why all the over-burdened activity? Who was running this railroad anyways? If wierwille and corps coordinators were using and abusing others, then they were not following Jesus' teachings, were they? Mike, you might want to refrain bringing *the corps program* into the picture, because it soils every aspect of wierwille's character.........1) promised in-depth biblical truths, but furthered indoctrination, 2) derailed people's lives from career building, 3) exploited labor to build his campuses, 4) bullied and intimidated corps who raised questions or dissented, 5) boasted of nine manifestations, but couldn't do them, 6) drank his Drambuie at late-night corps mtgs or night owls, 7) sexual predation on motor coach with corps girls, 8) etc. etc. .