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I'd like to hear how you claim PLAF is the most bootlegged video in history, yet you refuse to acknowledge the theft taking place by those doing the bootlegging. However, it is ironic: Saint Vic stole from a wide variety of source to construct the class and now bootleggers are stealing the PLAF from the ministry.

You mean even more than Avatar? (Which was bootlegged 21 million times since its release.) https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr-esq/avatar-most-pirated-movie-all-time-247499 You claim its the most bootlegged, which would mean more than 21 million. Personally, I don't think the ministry has that many followers. Besides, bootlegging is stealing, you know. So, your saying more than 21 million followers respect the ministry so much that they repeatedly violate the Eighth Commandment, right? Thou shall not steal, right?

YIKES.......... look out !! Mike...........you just passed delusional boulevard and speeding toward insane highway. .

It's not food for deep thought, Mike. Anyone with a reasonable amount of education understands the essence of intellectual property and plagiarism. Choosing to ignore what you know to be factual does not make it any less true. Let's boil the cabbage down, shall we? Wierwille plagiarized a whole bunch of materials that had been previously produced by other writers. That's not only illegal, it's unbiblical. You know, that whole thing about not stealing and such. Such a pesky little detail. It just seems to get in the way so often. But, wait, there's more. Then he lied about his sources, said God must have given the materials to him because he had already taken all his own copies to the dump. He said God promised to teach him information that hadn't been known for 2,000 years, even though most of it had, in fact, been known. See how that darned bible keeps getting in the way? All that nonsense about not lying. I mean, how inconvenient is that? But that's O.K., Mike. Just change the subject and dance around with fanciful data that doesn't exist. Maybe nobody will notice the diversion. Hey, I just happened to have an interesting thought. Maybe YOU could write the book . Be sure to copyrite it, though. Or, better yet, maybe you could put it straight into public domain. That would eliminate the problem of plagiarism and theft of intellectual property. Be sure to include some surveys and polls. That always spices things up.

Perhaps wierwille’s penchant for thievery kinda shows through in his determination to barge in on BG’s class...I think wierwille outdid Simon the Sorcerer in Acts 8:18,19 - Simon offered the apostles money to see if he could do what they did - but wierwille just steals the info from BG as well as others, fabricates a story of the voice of god and a Snow Job to pursue the life of a fraudulent apostle. Thought I should add that in cobbling together his own class (PFAL) wierwille may bear another similarity to Simon the Sorcerer when he included the “magic” of believing...alas the snow job continues.

Totally agree........corps "training" was regurgitated drivel and straight-up indoctrination, no thinking minds need apply. And.......that's why I never visited that corps site. Why would I want to hang with indoctrinated sycophants in this exclusive club? Yeah, it was an exclusive club alright........exclusively brain dead of any critical thinking skills and acting accordingly.

Regarding polls and surveys: Studies have shown that 47.9% of all statistics are simply made-up numbers.

Actually confirmation bias often equates to bull$hit.

Grace, let's just say he has credibility issues.

A very good point Skyrider ! I thought it was extremely odd that he supposedly took so much time and effort for his "research" – like conducting polls and contacting people to solicit positive feedback about PFAL – yet for some reason can’t find the time…within a 20 year span…or make the effort to read a Xerox copy of Mrs. wierwille’s book…which – being about as close a source as you could get to wierwille, his wife for goodness sakes.if he was into researching about wierwille as much as he says he is, you’d think that Xerox copy of Mrs. wierwille's book would have been at the top of his read and review several times list. obviously fabricating research to reinforce a delusion of reverence has a higher priority.

Mike........I find your credibility sorely lacking when you "have a Xerox copy of Mrs. Wierwille's book from 1996 and haven't looked at it yet." Sounds like you are selectively cherry-picking only material that agrees with your preconceived adulation of wierwille. You, Mike, are trapped in an echo chamber of your own making. Here at GSC alone, you've posted 3711 times........and yet, you haven't even read this book, a biography, from the wife of this man that you so dearly revere. What does that say about you, Mike? If you care to have an honest, substantive discussion here at GSC about victor wierwille ......then, at least, read her book. You've had 20 years to do your "research" and yet, you give it that lame "time permitting" excuse. Really? Just face it Mike.......you only want material that strengthens your idol-worship of wierwille. I've put in enough time to really understand who wierwille was.......and he was a fraud.

Cool story, WordWolf…teens versus the LAZY boy which could stand for the Little Ambition Zealous Yellowbelly, vpw.

not sure if The Way International could make the shift, Chockfull, from what I remember when I was in TWI I Think many folks accepted that limited form of communication in most situations – whether it was a class format, fellowship teaching, one-on-one counseling…whatever. It was often a one way street - - with the flow of traffic being subliminally directed to give deference to the TWI-mindset……it wasn’t just some jargon folks used as if there was an official way-speak lexicon - - actually, I think it was more along the lines of a cunningly mandated collective consciousness…whether we realized it or not we were led to think, speak and act a certain way as TWI hierarchy set the example. As the dynamics of group-think tends to go – we follow the flow - - an artificial collective consciousness, if you will. Two-way communication was often stymied by the simple things: - Listening to a teaching tape does not allow students to ask the teacher questions. Also having students hold their questions until the end of the class is a good way to have students forget about the importance or context of their question. - Answering a question with a question avoids an exchange of information. - Pat answers are a quick, evasive, and oversimplified attempt to resolve problems...such as: just renew your mind…why don’t you do a word study of “forgiveness”…you really should take the blah blah class – it would really help you in your walk. - People were never encouraged to speak freely - i.e. say how you really feel or think about something - rather always frame your ideas and even personal issues in a positive TWI-centric format. == == == == I tend to think that the only reason TWI hierarchy has ever had an ear to the ground was so that they could have a heads-up on talk and trends that would threaten their reins of control...It was never about catering to the needs of the "customers" but about securing the needs of the hierarchy.

I have seen so many people do so many stupid things because some leader thought they had a great idea for someone.

Hello happy people. Everyone taking their Flintstone vitamins? Stayin' frosty, my friends? Keep at it, the world needs you. My icon is gone forever I see, lost in the ether of the server moves. Till I find it, I'm using the one at left, and if you know what it means please - remember the oath of silence. I will speak of this no more. The "WAP" class - I didn't "take" it or attend it or perhaps more accurately did not endure it. Some thoughts - They couldn't come up with a better name for the replacement to PFAL than that? The acronym WAP is so useless. I know, that's not the biggest issue at stake but to put that burden on the beleaguered shoulders of an already tired and worn out membership was kinda mean. It does fit the Martindale personae though. Did a man ever exist with less charisma? I liked Craig well enough when I knew him but he always seemed like a talking mannequin. I'm being kind here. Anyway... Bliss, that brochure cover looks like it's from the 70's, was some time travel involved in it being made? I don't have any innie friends so I am missing this kind of stuff. Good reason to keep it that way. It's incredibly strange for the Way to continue to promote a filmed product taught by a person they had to fire and disavow any connection to, even for the Way. Isn't he pretty much personae-non-grata at the Way for all practical purposes? I'm sure there's some reasoning for keeping it going but it can't over come the simple reality that to even play the product requires a disclaimer. I'd love to hear how they handle that. Lemme guess - "all your questions will be answered in the Class. After. So write them down now. For later. Sign here". I would guess it fits into their overall public relations strategy (sorry, had to clear my throat writing that, I'm back) buuuut if you look at their website there's apparently no real people with names involved, other than a few lines that refer to a "Board of Directors", which is I guess all they think the public needs to know. Even the quotes of happy customers have no name credited. ****** WAP 1, 2, 3 or whatever the titles - I was reminded that Martindale isn't the teacher of the WAP course that people would attend today, it's gone through a few revisions and is currently taught by 3 Representatives, See No Evil, Hear No Evil and Smell No Evil, I guess. So it's no longer Mr. Personality doing the teaching. I guess there's a ray of light in those clouds after all, hey? The Way is a perfect example of silo'd thinking. They're locked into a progression they feel they have to uphold so they don't look outside "the box" they're in. If they were as concerned about really reaching people and helping them as they are with avoidance and covering their asses they'd see there are some very very very obvious routes they could take to "re energize" their efforts that would still give them a layer of legal protection for past events, which is what it appears they're most concerned with. ******* Now knowing how frequently The Way loses people and members shift their status with them that may serve some purposes but it makes it look like a hack job, a phony business front, which is very common in the digital world today and is marketing -101 for the masses of online media miscreants gaming your clicks. Even the Catholic Church has a big ass photo of the current Pope mugging for the camera on the Holy See site. Sight. Web site. One thing I do know - classes taught to people in living rooms huddled on brown metal chairs every night suck. It's a painful way to reach people but many of us endured. There are better ways to pass on the teachings of the Bible and the fundamentals of the Christian faith. It works but I feel so sad whenever I see photos of people in chairs in rooms somewhere and a guy at a table up front huddled down, "teaching". They talk, you shut up and listen, questions later. It's not like they're trying to teach Calculus or Advanced Trigonometry or C# or Java. It can be done around a camp fire, over the phone, in a living room setting or in a coffee shop. It doesn't have to be crammed into 2 or 3 weeks, it can be done over days, weeks, months very effectively, as Christianity is a new life and a new lifestyle. Life doesn't jam into small spaces well. Many many years ago I spent hours on the floor of my living room with friends, bibles and books strewn across the floor reading and talking and studying. We chattered like kids. Well, we were, pretty much so we did. We drank coffee like it was a sacrament. We had a great time. There was laughter, at things no one had to be cued for! No one had to tell us to be on time but sometimes I had to tell them to go home when it got late. All that metal brown chair stuff is just cruel, and needs to be kept to a minimum. I guess it's no surprise they still hustle the old stuff though, it takes little effort and probably feels comfortable to them. "ROI". I wonder when they go to sleep at night there at the Way Nash if they hear echoes across the grounds, of years past and wonder at all, about anything....probably not. Stay swell, my friends! Peace! P.S. AOS? No. Absolutely not. Uh uh. Nada. Zip. Bad cha cha. Absolute travesty, took several years for everyone involved to evoke their "plausible deniability" clause. So no. Stop it. No. P.S.S. AOS? No. Does anyone really think they got ANYthing out of it's depiction of the devil spirit realm? Anyone wanted to be just like Craig? It has about the same emotional and intellectual impact as a Celebrex commercial and the spiritual value of an Our Lady of Fatima Merry Christmas Snow Globe............ Accept no substitutes for "no". It was a washed out waste of time that didn't survive, for good reason. No - the best comparison is that it had the same impact of Craig Martindale onstage that year at the ROA, illustrating the word "kratos", where he had his "trainer", Dupe, holding a big piece of wood that he then was supposed to karate chop in half with a single slice of his all powerful hand. Except he didn't, he bruised his hand and beat on that poor board two or three times until finally even Dupe looked embarrassed. it wasn't exactly Karate Kid, put it that way. (anyone else remember that?)

Bliss......hi! Billbo Greene was a local weatherman in some place like Bowling Green, KY. He was trying to break into "showbiz"/media, so he ran with a young, liberally sexual crowd. Eventually through "networking", Billy boy got a one scene part in some amateur porn video. According to him it was a "one-time deal", and he "had fun". That's about it. Occurred some time in the 70s before Billy-boy took Piffle. That's all he ever told me about it.