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Thanks Thomas & Don’t Worry, Don’t know if it’s that I’m just getting older or it’s the way I deal with the PTSD of surviving a cult but I have a hard time remembering a lot of details like that....either way - maybe it’s a blessing anyway.

"I think Romans 13 is addressing Christians in the context of whatever government they live under - for conscience sake - which again I could be wrong but I take that to mean I should obey the government as long as they do not direct me to do something in violation of the principles of my faith. Again - not trying to be repetitive- but my previous post did list some passages where believers did go against government wishes for conscience sake. " This may very well have been Paul's original meaning. It seems he was speaking in general terms but didn't address the exceptions such as violating a command of God, being asked to commit an immoral act etc. I haven't read this section of Romans in years and forgot all about it. So now I'm re-learning. Here is an interesting commentary that addresses exactly what is being discussed on this thread: https://bible.org/seriespage/26-laws-land-romans-131-14

Who cares who'd write it? Who the h311 would read it?

I bet she spends most of her day rolling in the dough !!!!!

It Is Already Written...............by the blood, sweat, and tears of GreaseSpotters

................ ain't that the truth.

great correlation there, OutandAbout !!!!

I still don't feel that I have a proper concept of Jesus. At least - of Jesus now. I don't doubt the physical Jesus of two millennia ago. It occurs to me that I don't have a big enough concept of "God," either. My view is far too parochial. God is the God of the universe, not of solely of Planet Earth, or even (merely) of our solar system. Who, then, or what, is God? An energy stream? Plasma? The bond that holds atoms and molecules together? And yet, some - entity - that possesses what we (in our minute and dust-like brains) might call thought processes - some discrete entity that occurs literally everywhere, always. Sometimes I read a Bible and substitute every reference to "God" with "Love." It makes for an interestingly different read.