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Depends on whether we're talking about Christians or people who call themselves Christians but don't seem to have the slightest idea what Christianity stands for.

You know, over the years, I'm sure a lot has been said about the Greasespot Cafe Forums, and its participants. I'm sure at times over the years, posts have been used from this site to ferret out folks unhappy with the Way and mark and avoid them. I'm sure the general consensus to all the Waybrained is that we are all devil possessed, have turned our backs on Gods ministry and Word and are working evil. It's OK. They can have their opinion. Mine differs. But you know, in a lot of ways all the behind the scenes stories we tell here really serve a higher moral purpose. You see, the Way as I mentioned in another thread, is continuously engaged in what I call the Way International Whitewash and Denial Society I call it that because everything we post about here, originating from Victor Paul Wierwille and the Way International and his perverse drunken sexual behavior, including what has carried on with second President Craig Martindale, his lurid and perverse sexual behavior, public lawsuits, divorce from his wife, and the 3rd President Rosalie Fox Rivernbark, her rise to power, illicit lover's relationship with the 2nd President's ex-wife, all of this is nowhere to be found in any material about the Way International. We have a biography of the founder Victor Paul Wierwille, called "Born Again To Serve" highlighting a fairy tale life and ministry, which ended well before the people running the show now were involved. If there were a sequel to this biography encapsulating everything to the highlight of the 40th Anniversary of the Way celebrations of Wierwille, his turning over the mantle and retiring, and the end days of his life where he incited an antagonist Chris Geer to tear down what he built up, all of his escapades on private motorcoaches and at Way campuses, all of these things were not written about. In fact, the sequel to "Born Again to Serve" probably would more appropriately be entitled "Born Again To Be Served". Served - young ladies, drugged or not, copious amounts of Drambuie and Kool cigarettes. Served - conspiracy theories by the dozen. Served - cancer by cigarettes. So because "Born Again To Be Served" will never be written, and all of the people involved including 3rd President and current Chairman of the Board Rosalie Fox Rivenbark and 4th President Jean Yves De Lisle are currently and have been involved in a campaign to cover all of this up, they are living a lie. How big of a lie? Well, the wife of the 2nd President Donna Lombardi Martindale, and the current BOD Chairman Rosalie Fox Rivernbark, have had an ongoing lesbian romantic relationship for decades. Donna is divorced from Craig Martindale (I don't know about the legal papers involved), and lives currently in New Knoxville at the Way Headquarters where Rivenbark lives. The Way's Biblical teaching classes have always taught that homosexuality is wrong, and have taught it was Adam and Eve's original sin in one of their foundational classes, with Eve supposedly mentally getting it on with the devil in a serpent format or something like that. You see the Way is and has been for some time now living a HUGE GREAT BIG LIE. Greasespot Cafe helps with this. How? By telling the truth, and encouraging the Way to live and tell the truth. You can't change what you don't admit. So thanks patrons for all your support in HELPING THE WAY TELL THE TRUTH !!!!!!!!!!!

Not much to add, except to say I'm glad we're out, and that we have this place to gather. (Waving)

I don't know what killed the baby. Infant mortality rates were probably very high back then. Probably not the only child she lost. I don't know. She would be in the same boat as every mother at the time? They didn't have modern medicine. Did the Bible say what Bathsheba thought? She's with the King now. Ultimate hypergamy. If she were a modern woman . . . . . . It's a story. With a purpose. Maybe these events happened, maybe they didn't. It's not important. There's some point to the story. Some argument to reveal that's more important than the events stated. That's what matters.

I'm sure it's rarely black and white. What David did with Uriah was clearly a misuse of the nation's military.

The concept of God evolved over time. I think you're taking a Fundamentalist viewpoint. Compared to a lot of people David WAS a saint. This judgement on David takes the view that any of us could be as GOOD as David was when he was GOOD, without being as BAD as he was when he was BAD.

To me, the notion that an all-powerful God cannot remove a corrupt murderer as king without jeopardizing the security of Israel is contradictory. If He's all-powerful, he should be able to do that with no difficulty whatsoever. Christians today would NEVER handle this the way Yahweh did, for the simple reason that Christians today are more moral than the God they worship. Of course, I'm talking about ACTUAL Christians, who care about things like morality. If we're talking about hypocrites who CALL themselves Christians but know nothing of morality, they would probably elect a stone-cold murderer as long as he hated the same people they hate.

Well, God serves a function in a society. If not him, then something else. To me, it's like your saying T-Rex was a failure, because, where is he now? Every point in evolution is part of the process and should be appreciated.

What are the five things you must know to receive anything from a troll ? 1. Know what’s available: bull$hit, lies, and deception 2. Know how to receive it: engage a troll in a discussion about “The Word”, PFAL, or wierwille 3. Know what to do with it after you’ve got it: flush it down the toilet 4. Have your needs and wants parallel: I definitely don’t need or want bull$hit, lies, and deception 5. Know a troll's willingness equals their ability: yup – see # 1 & #2 (though both technically are a # 2) – a "good" troll has it all!

BUT.......their exploited labor and MONEY fed the Multi-Level Marketing to further help them Selling Spiritual Soap. Seems like it was about 10 years ago when we referenced their $52 million.......NOW, it's $68 MILLION. Clearly, this "non-profit" organization is socking away about one million five-hundred thousand each year to their investment portfolio. By leveraging exploitation and abuse on their leaders/followers, the cult has all monies funneling into one central headquarters location......leaving many states without anyone on payroll. Talk about fleecing the flock............ The corps were indoctrinated to accept this and teach it to others. Getting a stupid, repetitive "teaching" tape each week is NOT spiritual oversight, or shepherding......or any other cherry-picked verse that the cult throws out there. It's exploitation. It. Is. A. Ruse. Wierwille taught this as doctrine......FALSE doctrine. The selling of spiritual soap to "cleanse one's soul" was a cheap knock-off product......that's why the cult-salespersons are always on the hunt for first-time customers. The twit-cult will ALWAYS be a revolving door.........as people see the exploitation and exit.