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Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz,............zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Snoring here. Is Richie raving??? oh THANK GAWD!!! LMAO! Good riddance moron. Say hi to Ros-a-lie and enjoy your next visit to the waterlogged Nazi's obelisk and monument at the farm. Maybe you can do a fly over in Shithead #1 at the gazebo??? Dude! Get some kind of life besides being an asshole wierwille worshipper and wannabe preacher-player like your faddah-in-da-woid, and Moishe David.Guess being a horny, frustrated, insanely self-deluded 67 year old loser is a tough way for a former ambassador one pilot to end up. But, hey......it's a living, ain't it?? So long dipshit. See ya here, there, or in the air! LOL!

So there you have it. A guy comes in here under false pretenses, admittedly plays a bunch of deceptive head games and then expects us to grant him some sort of award for his unwavering integrity. Yeah...not so much. A hypocrite in all his might, So wrong in that he thinks he's right. Still he hears not Still he sees not. Will he?

Festinger stated that five conditions must be present if someone is to become a more fervent believer after a failure or disconfirmation: A belief must be held with deep conviction and it must have some relevance to action, that is, to what the believer does or how he or she behaves. The person holding the belief must have committed himself to it; that is, for the sake of his belief, he must have taken some important action that is difficult to undo. In general, the more important such actions are, and the more difficult they are to undo, the greater is the individual's commitment to the belief. The belief must be sufficiently specific and sufficiently concerned with the real world so that events may unequivocally refute the belief. Such undeniable disconfirmatory evidence must occur and must be recognized by the individual holding the belief. The individual believer must have social support. It is unlikely that one isolated believer could withstand the kind of disconfirming evidence that has been specified. If, however, the believer is a member of a group of convinced persons who can support one another, the belief may be maintained and the believers may attempt to proselytize or persuade nonmembers that the belief is correct. source:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails The section I bolded is the scary part. It not too likely anyone goes 20 years believing PFAL is God-Breathed without a support system to solidify their belief.

Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz.....call the Orkin Man!! Fumigate this thread. Don't feed trolls. LMAO. Robson.....resistance is futile! You are the "spurchal" Borg. Watch out for all dem Debbil spurts! They're all around ya you know! Everything gives off something don'tchya know! Besides that horrible stench of lies, hypocrisy, and blatant self-delusion which oozes from your every plagiarized woid, you give off debbil spurt vibes.......LOL! You better start "all 9 all the time" for "real" now. Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz.............you've been bitten by debbils! Bwaaaaahahahahaha!

Considering his propensity for falsehoods and misrepresentation, why should we believe anything at all that he says about himself, including his supposed time as a pilot and his retirement income?

I think it's called Hanlon's Razor. I thought a lot of what happened was tests for signs of intelligence before assuming malevolence.

There. Assertions challenged.

You probably know this already, but that was the movie adaptation of the William Shatner episode. Made for a great moment on Third Rock From the Sun, too. Folks, PLEASE knock off the namecalling. Rrob is welcome to post here. Challenge his assertions, but let's leave the personal namecalling out of it, mmkay?

What am I doing now? I have been in security for some 38 years. Got into it after I got off the WOW field. Yeah, the first security company I worked for - come to find out the president of the company was a crook - skipped town around Christmas time without paying us! Sort of parallels my other short-lived "career" in a supposedly Christian ministry - in that the president and founder of this pseudo-Christian group was a crook too, if you know what I mean. Really can't complain though...met my wife - in our WOW family. Stuck it out in the security business and it proved to be a very fulfilling career path; sticking with Christianity too - another fulfilling aspect of my journey...peace and love to all Grease Spotters !!!!!

Yup - scared me too but it's still one of my favorite episodes... Oh have you seen "Snakes on a Plane" ? Board of Trustees on Ambassador One Ba-dum-bum I'm here all week, folks!

Wow!! I hope he left for good!

Do you intend anyone here to take you seriously? It doesn't matter to me whether you have any fruit, but if you want to be taken seriously, you might want to figure out how to demonstrate credibility.

DWBH, you knew what he wanted from the get-go. 100K a year for a pension, and that's not enough??!! How much does a man need to support himself for a year??!! I guess it depends on the man?!

What are the five things you must know to receive anything from a troll ? 1. Know what’s available: bull$hit, lies, and deception 2. Know how to receive it: engage a troll in a discussion about “The Word”, PFAL, or wierwille 3. Know what to do with it after you’ve got it: flush it down the toilet 4. Have your needs and wants parallel: I definitely don’t need or want bull$hit, lies, and deception 5. Know a troll's willingness equals their ability: yup – see # 1 & #2 (though both technically are a # 2) – a "good" troll has it all!

Yeah, well…I am a child at heart…just like some other old farts who still like to do childish things like play make-believe, pretend they’re someone else, and then take their bull$hit toys and leave when no one wants to play their stupid game anymore.

Okay, every interaction up to this point has been for our learning. After this, it's a new administration. Still the same poster.

Rob's, I really don't understand why you keep posting here. I post here because it makes me think. But people keep asking you questions, and you keep giving them insipid answers. I think you enjoy ....ing people off; I have a brother like that. He has mental problems; what's your excuse??

Psst. Rob... you're the guy going the wrong way on the highway. We're here for you.

yeah....I guess it’s a matter of one getting used to the smell; whenever someone comes to Grease Spot dumping a load of that oh so pungent drivel of wierwille bull$hit – you can bet the stink is rather odious if one hasn't been around it in a long time.

"Truth is most Christians I talk to think I'm a wolf in sheep's clothing". That statement alone rrobs ought to cause you to take stock in what you're communicating. Haven't you seen so far that you're in the extreme minority here regarding veepee and his putrid "theology"? He was a liar, and a thief, and a coward, and a serial rapist, and anti-Christ. An uncovicted felon who misappropriated our money. WHY would anyone want to continue any sort of association with his dead ministry? Why?

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, there's a pretty good chance it's a duck.

Buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz, buzz.................damn flies!

Robs, I think you should STFU.

Skyrider and Raf, great stuff here ! I think one of the first steps in untangling our minds from cult indoctrination is to step back and try to get an overall picture…it may be baby-steps back…sometimes momentarily stepping just outside the tree line of the forest’s edge and realizing there is an outside in relation to the forest…I also think many of us have had brief glimpses of that (like in Skyrider’s first post) – but then we brush it off as just another one of those old-man-former-nature-sinful-five-senses-unrenewed-mind hiccups…we shrug and think maybe it just means we weren’t properly burped after taking PFAL. Sometimes our journey is interrupted by one of those red flags…something someone said…or by an event…could be anything that momentarily throws us off our supposedly sure footing – and we stumble onto something we’re not supposed to see. For the courageously curious this becomes a tantalizing taste of “forbidden fruit” and marks the beginning of redirection along an epiphany laden road. For me, the whole messy crapstorm after Chris G’s passing of a patriarch was read, is what got me to step back further and further baby-steps-style to try and understand what was happening to the most important stuff in my life (which at the time was God, “The Word”, and all things The Way International). Sometimes “stepping back” was recalling how wierwille was around the corps especially in unguarded moments…or me reflecting on certain interactions I’ve had with various leaders over the years…or me thinking about the elements of control built into programs and ministry positions/assignments. I love that whole rat trap analogy that Raf talked about. I’ve recently had a conversation on another thread with someone who still struggles with the self-induced blindness of leaving the PFAL-colored glasses on. I can so relate to that experience. I loved “the cheese” in the trap. Fortunately this cult’s trap is not a literal rat trap that instantly snuffs out your life when the trap is sprung. The “hammer” of this cult-trap is a velvet covered rigid mindset mounted to a slow-spring mechanism and thus operates on a time delay – depending on how long you linger at the cheese. I think Raf’s insight is a great thing to keep in mind for those who are still into “the cheese”: “trying to mine our TWI experience to figure out what was good in it is like looking at the cheese in a mousetrap as a potential source of calcium. I'm not denying it's cheese. I'm not denying it has calcium. But I'm also not losing sight of who laid it out there and why.”

Rich........imo, you are bordering on Bibliolatry [......Historic Christianity has never endorsed worship of the Bible itself, as worship is explicitly reserved only for God.] Your statements like......"The Bible is what matters. Just read and study that and we'll be OK." I disagree with you. You sound like VP and the never-ending doctrine to "study and stand approved before God." Study, study, study......yeah, right. No thanks. Clearly, there is Jesus as savior, lord, mediator, intercessor, etc. aspects to one's personal relationship with the Lord via holy spirit within. Time and again, we see Paul and others herald these truths. Romans 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle.......Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord.....etc. etc. Imo, you are here agitating people with your "study, study, holier-than-others-doctrine"........and you haven't added ONE THING of substance that's changed my opinion. You sound like you're starting your like side-group and are trying to hype your soap to anyone who'll listen. No thanks.