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  1. That book is on Project Gutenberg. You can get a copy in e-pub, Kindle or plaintext. https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/44932
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  2. After reading so many historical timelines of the way international here on GSC, and being an eyewitness to many of the changes implemented during/after the Allen lawsuit, it all comes down to one perpetual whitewash. The way international is a whited sepulcher. It all makes perfect sense to me now, especially when I consider the past that the way international does not want revealed in any capacity - unless of course its the approved version they teach the in-res corps through Ms Wierwille's incomplete biography of vpw, etc. But let's not forget the approved versions of the many nostalgic character traits vpw supposedly demonstrated as the man of god for our day and time. I was 32nd way corps, graduated in 2003. From 1996 - 2003 I spent my time immersed in all things the way international. Lived with my fellowship coordinators, moved with them, as they became candidate corps, went way disciple as they did - only in a different state. Was an assistant fellowship coordinator the remaining six months after my first way disciple year. Started my candidate year as a fellowship coordinator then went way disciple my apprentice year and was assigned to HQ. Spent two years in residence only to be assigned as assistant department coordinator at hq upon graduation from the corps. Became department coordinator within two years. Within a year as department coordinator was asked to be on the presidunce cabinet. Two years later I made my exit in 2008. Starting in 96 I was blown away by martindale's teachings, classes, etc. In my youthful zeal I choose blinders that suited my comfort level. Martindale was the man of God in my mind. I was told by my fellowship coordinators (who had been dropped from the way corps and been around damn near 30 years and were going corps a second time) of some of the history, fog years, the importance of the present truth, why the past was so bad - the adversary uses it, the importance of staying lock step with hq/Martindale, etc. During that time I witnessed the debt policy implemented, the no gift policy, learned of the no pregnancy BS, kept a tight schedule that my fellowship coordinator approved and oversaw. I was the perfect cult leader in training. I was so gung ho that when craig had us dial in on the phone hookup and admitted to a one time consensual affair with Mrs. All3n that I knew it must be the devil trying to take out my MOGFODAT. But during this time of supposed one time consensual affairs.......my exposure to dissension within the ranks from my branch/limb coordinators at the time began in full. But I was still lock step sold out to twi and craiggers.....aaaaaaannnnnd then I was assigned to hq for my second tenure as way disciple and my apprentice year. During this time I began adjusting my blinders to allow more light to shine. - 1999 - A couple months after I arrived at hq craig was asked to leave. My cabinet guy informed us that a major impediment had been removed. - Shortly after craig's departure dissenting top leadership (S@iler, Pannasmello, et al.) were rounded up, told to move into founders hall for monitoring and then either quit or were fired if they didn't get in line with Rosie the riveter. - Afterwards, hq staff were informed via their pres. cabinet that the board of dummies had invited two cult experts to hq and instructed hq staff to answer any questions honestly while going about our wayfer lives as normal. - During this same time frame so many changes were ushered into staff's and way corps' routines. Examples follow (but are not limited to): the pregnancy policy abolished, staff moved from need basis pay scale to salary based on an hourly basis (aka start of 46 hour hour cap with ot approved by presidents cabinet up to 52 hours and more hours than 52 approved by BOD,) Coerced volunteer time was now separate by cabinet area and coerced with department coordinators signing up those that didn't volunteer), staff personal schedules were no longer required to be turned in for approval, two by two travel was no longer mandated but encouraged, bod were forced to implement a harassment policy into the staff hand book as a system of redress for hq as well as staffers, STS attendance was now supposedly voluntary but checklists were still gathered by department every Monday morning, the noon meal was no longer mandatory, etc. - All of this gave the impression that rosalie was our great deliverer. Us plebe staffers had no idea that behind rosalie were lawyers hired by TWI to diffuse lawsuit ammo and whitewash the cult yet again from craigs lunacy. Whitewashed it so far and thorough that teaching responsibilities were decentralized from the president of TWI to many chosen folks. That way there was no charismatic leader to point the finger at. Wax on, wax off. - It was during this time that I was transferred out of my department and onto a large project to repair the main electrical loop that had fried from neglect. I found myself a fly on the wall to so many long time staffers and way corps that kept telling the same stories about craig and vpw. Abuse, adultery, large scale involvement of way corps to procure and hide that vpw and craig were serial sexual predators who preyed on any woman they found vulnerable. Personal misuse of ABS by board of trustees/directors over the years. Heck, this was such a big deal that even rosalie had to pay TWI to have grounds cut her grass at foxhaven lest she be found guilty of private inurement which would risk TWI losing its 501c3 status. The list could continue. Needless to say that my blinders were just about off at this point. - It was during this time that rosalie announced that twi had settled the lawsuit with the Allens. This announcement was during lunch in the OSC so all staff were present. Most people were in a daze filled with relief that the adversary no longer could seek to destroy TWI through this lawsuit. There were handfuls of people that simply sat there with a blank stare and I was one of them. I sat there and thought WTF does rosie mean she settled a RICO case (and other charges) that had been levelled against TWI? Settled, that's a payoff to keep it out of court, right? Guess my critical thinking skills were developing in their infancy at this juncture. Ok, after leaving HQ to go in-residence at camp gunnison this is where I started to learn some very startling truths. It was during this time I learned that rosie had two known lesbians living in her basement at foxhaven. Frankly, I coulda cared less about it except twi was so extremely anti-homosexual. I also took time to peruse through old corps night tapes of LCM. Rosalie hadnt had the chance to purge the study hall library at gunnison late 2001. So I heard first hand so many tapes where he defamed standing way corps, et al., went on cursing tirades against the IRS, etc, and was just a complete hateful a$$. Definately not words a true minister would impart. She purged it all before I graduated. Next I dove into university of life. I devoured tape after tape, but it was VPs Roman teachings that I was enthralled with. I was told by one of my corps brothers at the time to read Just and The Justifier by Charles H. Welsch - a student of E.W. Bullinger. I was shocked that the content of the Roman teachings were straight outta Welsch's work, yet no credit was given. VPW took all the credit for the teachings....period! Naturally, this started to open my eyes to the issues TWI should have with vpw's years of plagiarism. They should have but don't care at all. Upon my graduation into the way corps I was starting to become keenly aware of the many problems twi had in front of them to survive as a church/ministry. I was still under the impression that rosalie was the deliverer and was slowly changing things from the inside for the betterment of God's standing belivers in the household of the way. Pfffft. My assignments at hq as assistant DC, DC, and prez cabinet opened my eyes fully to the sad truth. The truth that if the Allen lawsuit never happened nothing would have ever changed. in TWI But change happened anyway so that must be good and rosalie still TWI protector, right? Wrong Wrong Wrong! During a cabinet meeting one Thursday afternoon rosalie went on a rant because a certain clergy member at TWI had skipped the STS to attend their kids softball game. She plainly stated that she hated all the changes that had been forced on TWI over the years as a result of the Allen lawsuit. She said if she could, she would take a baseball bat to the dude who had skipped the STS. If she could she would undo all the changes forced on TWI by their lawyers. IT was during this time that I fully started to realize the simple truth. The way international had been hide vpw's evils for years. But because of craig martindale's evils being brought into a court of law they have had to white wash every aspect of TWI into the bland, boring crap it is today. Most disgustingly, they blatantly hide vps plagiarism, the fact that he was a sexual predator and adulterer. They hide that he was a drunk. he was mean, short tempered, kept body guards. They especially hide the way east and west and the hostile takeover vpw did to Heefner and Doop. My God, where would the list stop if I were to continue? They way is a preservation society that has elevated victor paul wierwille above Christ and knowingly covered sin after sin of it's founder and successor(s). Most importantly rosalie rivenbark has hid her own sins as someone who not only knew that craig was a sexual predator but also helped him conceal his crimes until she risked too much exposure. The way international truly is extremely deceptive in how they have handled God's Word. I'm thankful I witnessed what I did and can put it out in plain sight, So much more could be said, so much more had been said. Here's part of my two cents. - -
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  3. ya know...you got me thinking - i wonder if some test patterns were designed by a grad who was very impressed with the session on the four crucified
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  4. So, according to Einstein's Relativity, if Jesus held a laser pointer during the ascension, the people on the ground would be in one frame of reference, while Christ, traveling at a different speed, would be in another frame of reference. How would the two frames of reference be resolved for the appearance of the laser? This is another reason the plagiarism is important. VPW didn't cite References, and just assumed it would all work. Since Christ was The Word Made Flesh, where was the Word? In the Beginning. The Big Bang. Cosmic Background Radiation can be seen in the form of microwaves on your old TV set, the static black and white dots. This is electromagnetic radiation leftover from time following The Big Bang, which was In The Beginning, with The Word, which was with God, which was God. So someone's analytic skills can be put to good use. Find an old television set, turn it on, stare at the static. You WILL see the Beginning. And In The Beginning is The Word. Pay attention to every Dot and Tittle.
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  5. Mike I've got a little Stowwwry for you. It's kind of a parable, I guess, except it really happened. When I was just a little whipper, I wanted to be a cowboy. Maybe you did too. Lots of kids did back then. More than anything, I wanted a Palomino pony.(That's that beautiful golden color you see in the movies.) Trouble is, that's not too realistic for a kid in the inner city. One day, as I was out front playing broomstick cowboy with the neighbor kid, I happened to look down toward the end of the block just in the nick of time to see something that was a beautiful golden color, turning the corner, moving away from us. What do you suppose it was I saw? Yep. You guessed it. It was, of all things, a Palomino pony. Just to be sure, I asked the neighbor if she had seen it too. She was sure she had. We grabbed our broomsticks and set out immediately, at a full gallop, in pursuit of that buckin' bronco. There was no time to consider where we would keep it or what we would feed it. We were on a mission. We were so excited, we didn't even notice the houses that became a blur as we flew past them. Huffing and puffing, we made it to the end of the street and turned the corner. And there it was, our Palomino pony. He was still on the run, though, and we only caught a glimpse of that magnificent yellow tail streaming in the wind as it turned the next corner at full speed. We only paused long enough to catch a quick gulp of air as we both looked at each other in a knowing fashion. We knew we had to continue the pursuit. Off we went, gasping for air and straining to run just a little bit faster in an effort to gain some distance. At last, we made it to the next corner. Again, we only caught a glimpse of that golden tail and his rear hooves as he toyed with our chase as if it were a game. The scenario repeated itself until we were back where we started and the pony we wanted so badly had vanished into thin air. If you still believe The Way can make fantasy come true you'll spend forever gasping at thin air. I hope you find your golden pony someday. Really, I do
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  6. How something so simple got (or can get) so screwed up in people's head and heart is mind boggling. My apologies, if the following sounds a bit preachy (because it is, and I'm not a preacher)... but the stupidity of some of the things said in this thread seem to have stirred me in a way to say some things that I normally wouldn't. After Adam screwed the pooch and coalesced his mind to the world, what men (mankind) could (and did) believe became dependent on the world around them. Hence, the need for (and promise of) Christ, to reveal God (who is spirit) to senses oriented mankind. First given to Adam, of course, but... pretty much lost and/or ignored by the time of Noah & sons. So, God calls out one man (Abram), who eventually reaches the point of believing the impossible (according to anything and everything that can typically be known by your senses), that God can and will raise (the promised) one from the dead. Being the first, he (Abraham) is therefore called the father of all that believe. And, as you know, he was the patriarch of a nation (Israel.) A nation set "above all nations that are upon the earth." Shown many great signs, miracles, and wonders... which, if possible, should have moved them closer to believing God. But did it? Despite spelling out in rather intricate detail the coming of the Messiah, the nation of Israel failed to recognize and accept Jesus as the Christ. "Show us a sign" was their cry. Evidently they were at one with the world, and couldn't believe anything other than what could be shown them. (Know anyone else like that?) Why would God do that? Favor an entire nation, that when it came right down to it, could no more or better believe God than the rest of mankind. Well, maybe it was simply to prove that by your senses (the norm of all men) it can't be done. Christ was crucified, buried, and raised from the dead. Did the original apostles, hand picked by Jesus Christ, believe it? Oh, they knew he was dead. There was no problem believing that. But alive? Nope, Not without seeing it "for real." So, after his resurrection he presented himself 40 days to his disciples, "by many infallible proofs" . (Seems like a rather tough bunch to convince. But such was/is the nature of man, and this was designed to convince the lot of them ,) Now, just exactly what "went away" on the day of the Ascension? Well, so much for "the infallible proofs" that were given to some. Maybe it was time to see if the nation of Israel could be weaned from its addiction to the world, and its need for "signs" to believe that the promised Messiah had come. But, by the conclusion of Act 7, that too, was a no go. And low and behold, it was time to give anyone else in the rest of the world a shot at it. The fundamental barrier? Can (or do) you believe that Jesus Christ died, was buried, and was raised from the dead (and lives now)? Well, that's impossible, right? What "proof" is there for that? Probably none whatsoever. (By design, if you want my opinion.) Yet, I know to the uttermost depths of my heart and soul, it's true. Perhaps my brain is simply hardwired to believe it; I can't say for sure. But at this point in time, all of life and learning fits and flows together with it, and I'm fully aware that there is neither a disconnect or a reversibility that exists (or ever will) for it. Being seated at the right hand of God, Christ is definitely not "absent" from the presence of God. Maybe you don't see it the same way, but if you had a right hand man, wouldn't he be right there with you where ever you were? (Especially after telling him, Stick right here close beside me until some stuff gets set in order...) Or, would you send him off to relax on some island whilst you went along and about your merry way? So, wherever God is present, Christ is also (regardless of whether or not you think so.) If you think that meeting the Lord "in the air" somehow or in some way refers to him coming to the stratosphere of the earth from some far way place, maybe it's worth giving a little more thought to what else that might mean. Because there's a "change" spoken of that goes along with that. There is not going to be any "less personal presence" of Christ beforehand and "more presence" of him afterwards. Currently, the spiritual world remains invisible to the naked eye. Might that ever change? Probably not, but change the naked eye... and its ability to perceive reality will change. Where does "spirit" live or exist? In the air, perhaps? (compare that to Eph.2:2.) We are "the body of Christ." The difficulty in understanding that is that we just can't now see and don't yet know what a spiritual body is or looks like. All that said, I do not believe that we (who are Christ's) need (nor will we ever get) something/anything else extra "coming into evidence" (i.e., revealed) - be it written, signed, sealed, or delivered - prior to our gathering together unto him. What was given, written in scripture nearly 2000 years ago, is sufficient, and will remain a powerful testimony to the grace, and manifold wisdom of God until the fullness of times for it is come. (Which, on a personal note, I believe is indeed very close at hand.) Those who can and do choose to believe it, will live this life (until changed) accordingly.
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