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here's a little teaser for tonight's teaching: While it may be important to remember "to whom it is addressed" It’s just as important to know a tutu is not a dress

Is he teaching ballet?

.....and the fire drills at 3am........when corps came out in pajamas and/or robes, hair messed all up and hall monitors taking roll call. Then, if someone wanted to stay in bed or if some girl was in the bathroom fixing her hair......we'd get a 40-minute lecture at breakfast. .....and after sunday lunch meal.....corps would be given their "brownbag supper-meal" and stand outside along the walkway and exchange one item for another. Oftentimes, some of the girls would not want some of it OR felt sorry for some of the big men......and give them a sandwich or gorp, whatever it was called. It was the human element that I remember the most about in-residence corps.........not the classes, not the research.

Teaching what?? to whom??

great points !!!!!!! i agree - the "distinctive" doctrinal stuff - even Jesus Christ is Not God book were a way of showing TWI was different from the rest...unique...no-one-else-knows-what-we-know-and-we-know-it-all kind of a thing...because we know him who knows it all...vp. and getting more involved and taking on more responsibility got you further entangled in so many aspects - emotionally, intellectually, socially...I and my cult are one - - yikes !!!!!

Insert: Anyone who was/is on the outskirts of twi.....or simply took a couple of classes......has NO IDEA about this cult. Extrication is so intricately interwoven into every fabric of one's heart, soul, emotions, relationships, memories, fiber of being, approval before God......that to get out is an arduous process. Wierwille AND martindale strictly taught that to leave twi........was to leave God. Sure, it's laughable now......but to those who exit AND those still in.................it is very real. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This is why I've so often said that it's not about doctrinal issues, such as 4 crucified or cry of triumph or figures of speech or whatever else we focused on. It was about a crazy lifestyle we lived that sometimes escaped the attention of those fortunate people who only remained involved at a local level.

~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks again.......for giving me this space to tell my story. All of the GSC posters, past and present, have my deepest admiration. These postings are helping to chip away at the twi-cult.......the wierwille mystique, the corps indoctrination, the unfathomable fraud, deception and destruction of individuals........and the despicable cult-underpinnings that allow it to hoard away its properties and growing investment accounts. At present, that figure is $64 MILLION. After exiting this cult in August 1998, we stayed in OKC for nearly another two years while our two sons finished up their school years......respectively, junior high and middle school. During this time, I started working in management.....working long hours to support my family. Month after month, I continued to receive phone calls from advanced class grads and a few corps alumni who wanted to know why we were stigmatized with m/a. Several in Canada and Indiana had heard the news and called us as well. The rippling of this injustice helped a lot of people exit this cult. When we moved back to Indiana.....some of the advanced class grads we knew 8 years earlier were NOW notched up in cult-loyalty and attitude. Even though they hadn't gone corps, they were WARNED by Michael Fort to stay away and/or amped up to confront us. A few years later and Mr. Fort did NOT want to stay the course on cult-payroll........he stepped down from his limb position and got SECULAR WORK. See the pattern? Here Howard Allen's son-in-law, michael fort, does NOT have the balls to confront it........but slithers away. We moved back to Indiana in June 2000. It was during this time that martindale was "staring down the barrel of two lawsuits" and trying to salvage his status and petitioned Rosalie Rivenbark to bestow upon him as Head Guy of the Research Department. And, it was ONLY the twi-lawyers that stepped forward to advise against it. Martindale went down in flames two months later [August 2000].........and LOTS of region guys [Lallys, Lich-t, Mosqu3da, Sailor, Panarello, etc.], like rats, started making plans to jump ship. The cult could NOT protect those yes-men........those who had the same "stripes" as martindale/wierwille. Paul Allen via Waydale broke the cult stranglehold. Waydale/GSC.........one story at a time. .

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ........this story was a work in progress since the days of Waydale ........I still remember starting that thread Bravehearts Unite! and DWBH, Paul (ex-twi) and I had lots of laughs ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ghost Ryders In The Sky My Escape from Cult-Hell Part I We Thought We Were Free Part II BOOM: Everything Changed Part III 1997: Fury Unleashed Part IV 1998: The Money Iceberg The First Bookend Part V The Music Played On Part VI The Price We Paid Part VII Sprinting Thru The Finish Part VIII The Two Bookends Part IX Fresh Air77 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Thanks and Praise: Pawtucket (others in no particular order).....DWBH, Rocky, WordWolf, waysider, penworks, krys, Twinky, .......(and many more) (pictures on the GSC wall)..........Groucho, Catcup, Belle, Oakspear, RottieGrrrl, excathedra,...........(and many more) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I'll get back to this shortly- and before I forget, what I want to start with is this "process theology" business, which cg espoused with his "Pivot Point in History" thing, and some responses to that. It was actually espoused, with different names, by some people outside twi circles who liked a fuzzy, accessible God and were willing to demote Him to get Him there. The book "The Trivialization of God" (which I've never read) seems to have addressed that issue quite handily. I also addressed some of this in the thread "What Does God Know?" at length. Among other things, cg conflated "foreknow" (to know ahead of time) with "foreordain" (to force to happen ahead of time) and concluded that he was rejecting the former since he didn't accept the latter. I accept not everyone can understand some of the issues he raised- but if he didn't then he has no business trying to put himself forth as an authority on the subject.