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"Outright impossible" to see.......????? Confrontations leveled at those who dissent On my interim year at hq (1979-1980): See, TLC........there WERE lots of things going on before 1985 at hq (before you left).......you just didn't have your eyes open. And, I left hq in 1984.......away from this rotting "root locale" and headed back on the field. .

Yep DWBH that's the guy. Thanks for all the back story - didn't know much of it. What I did know is his sycophantic legacy included "making Ohio and that region a spiritual buffer for HQ". He got the 250 mile radius rule instituted where to fix the empty auditorium seats now once a month every branch within 250 miles has to schedule a trip to HQ. So - 2-4 hour drive each way, fill in those rows, try and get back home at a reasonable hour before work Monday. And he was a sycophantic hard-@$$ that dropped a bunch of people from the Corps and kicked a bunch of people out of TWI. I think a lot of those guys anybody who was buddies with loytoy was under scrutiny and fired later.

That's what a certain very high profile political candidate asked in 2016. We are now learning what we have to lose.

Sounds about right Skyrider! LOL!

Here I am well past my bedtime. I couldn't resist all this wonderful music. (I have to figure out how to post some tomorrow)

Good point, T-Bone, about connecting the dots. It often depended on the level of a person's involvement. Until I worked in the research department, I could not, or would not, wake up to red flags I'd seen ... they did not appear red until I reflected on them in hindsight. Here's a sneak peak into Undertow, Chapter 1: Hiding in Plain Sight, Cheers.

I agree - I am thankful for folks like Don't Worry, Penworks, and yourself, Skyrider - as well as all the other brave souls who have shared their stories at Grease Spot and in published books! I don't think any single person could have connected all the dots and realize what a crazy evil mess TWI was and still is...because the dots are people (that's right - soylent green is made of dots)....with security mechanisms in place like the lockbox or expecting folks to hid their head in the sand - I mean "renew your mind...the love of god thinketh no evil - so keep your mouth shut and don't go murmuring, gossiping, spreading rumors, hurting the ministry / body of christ"...blah blah blah... to connect the dots - that's the point of Grease Spot and wherever else folks tell the other side of the story

Where are the rest? Well......we certainly know where about Lynn, Schoenheit, Finnegan, Panarello, Clapp, Seed, and others who splintered from wierwille-org......yet, retained vast swaths of its doctrine, structure, classes, outreach system, tithe/abs support, mini-brc's, and pfal-nostalgia followers. In essence, these guys simply uprooted and moved down to the corner, around the block......and set up shop. Tweaked it a bit. Just like wierwille did......when twi splintered from leonard's work.....same deal, different day. These guys had the wierwille-prototype staring them in the face.......and with the death of wierwille and geer's "patriarch paper" they bolted. Others?.......faded into careers, education, family and life. Several on that 1985 Clergy List are now dead. But, yeah.......where are those valiant for the truth? Why the silence and the timidity on the destruction of people's lives "in the name of God?" Just seems like lots of these men were yes-men who relished in the perks of lording over others, but when it came time to "speak the truth in love"........they are no where to be found. Perhaps, some still cling to wierwille's Lifelines in their facebook postings and hold in high regard their input when wierwille walked on earth. But really? I find THE SILENCE remarkably hypocritical. No respect whatsoever to lots of them. Heck......even some of the big ex-players in scientology deem it their responsibility to help mitigate the damage done by their cult.

And men like you also Skyrider! You were a Country Coordinator, LC, and clergyman. Where are the rest?????

Yeah......the jargon of all totalitarian cults is a psychodynamic extension of their own warped clusterfest. The buzzwords, the newspeak is designed to mystify, to intrigue, to separate and exclude those from the inner sanctum of this closed society. With each class, each program......one is more deeply indoctrinated into this fringe element of "knowing-ness" that others outside the group are not privy to. Scientology has its own set.....and to hear others detail and decipher the coded language is very interesting. Only by isolation, immersion and indoctrination could one begin to take in the totality of this system without full-stop rejection. Twi was/is the same. Subtle. Deceptive. Indoctrination. And, with twi.......the diaspora of terminology from the nine manifestations alone had enough thistles to fill a brier patch. The 16 keys, the definitions, the classifications, the holiday songs........spewing into the atmosphere, and breathe life, of every follower of da vey. With each new class, one is treading toward a canyon of control......making the trek back to life, and normalcy, much harder to escape.

EXACTLY........where are these former twi-leaders? The dearth of these "ex-wayers" to come clean is stunning. Do they STILL agree with wierwille and his doctrines? Are they STILL complicit in the mlm-pyramid to funnel all monies to their splinter groups.....thus, amplifying their own side-ministries-of-pfal-nostalgia? I still have my 1985 Clergy Listing from twi.......and to SEE ALL THE NAMES WHO'VE EXITED is striking!! So many who were in major positions of authority are NOW running their own little group of way-daze followers. Obviously, its their means, for most, of livelihood......having no other skill sets or advanced education. I just thought that there'd be a dozen or more of this group that would have exposed wierwille, his sexual predation and skewed doctrines. Sometimes, I wonder........perhaps, twi has some blackmail material locked away on some of these splinter guys and have threatened them to STAY QUIET. Thankfully, men like you DWBH......have the balls to speak out and dismantle the wierwille mystique and twi's twisted history. I appreciate all you've done thru the years.

I want to go to there thanks for sharing those pictures, Lanikaigal