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  1. That's not how vpw presented it. He said 2 different things, and it's possible to conflate them because he didn't separate them topically. (Possibly he didn't understand or possibly he just didn't care and focused on his delivery.) He said that "God, who is the Holy Spirit, can only give that which He is, so he gives spirit." This is easy to disprove, so he said it in pfal but didn't say it elsewhere I'm remember. (If anyone has a copy of "Jesus Christ is not God" handy, please check page 130, which may have included it.) As Raf pointed out on this subject, God gave manna-God is NOT manna. The other thing was vpw saying that "God is Spirit, and God can only communicate with that which He is," which is why he invented his supposed Great Principle. It's even recorded in the Orange Book. "God being Spirit can only speak to what He is. God cannot speak to the natural human mind... Things in the natural realm may be known by the five senses - seeing, hearing, smelling, tasting and touching. But God is Spirit and, therefore, cannot speak to brain cells; God cannot speak to a person's mind. It is a law and God never oversteps His own laws." (page 78.) Thus, his supposed Great Principle: "God, who is Spirit, teaches His creation in you, which is now your spirit, and your spirit teaches your mind. Then it becomes manifested in the senses realm as you act." So, according to vpw, it is IMPOSSIBLE for God Almighty, Holy Spirit, to communicate to a human mind, because "it is a law and God never oversteps His own laws." Ok, how do we get revelation? Your own holy spirit communicates to your human mind. Wait-he just said that's IMPOSSIBLE. You probably don't remember it that vividly because it was f'ing stupid.
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  2. For those who attended PFAL '77...............wierwille was 60 years old. For those who attended AdvCl '79..............wierwille was 62 years old. For those who attended Living Victoriously....wierwille was 65 years old. For those who attended Sound Out '84..........wierwille was 67 years old. In 1978, I witnessed first-hand and up-close how wierwille "trained" the corps. Whether it was wierwille himself or his top lieutenants, the derisive tone, agendas and trajectory of twi were disturbing to my mind. Clearly, I had embedded an impression of this man thru the lens of a distant projection. Now, as in-residence corps, I was grappling with this growing awareness of heavy-authoritarian control at the helm. Not until many years later would I hear of wierwille's sexual predation.....and then, here at GSC, hearing from corps women who were harassed and assaulted by wierwille. Think about it....in 1978, 79, 80...wierwille was in his early 60s. And, hearing about this.....I know several of THESE WOMEN. wantonness --- a sexually loose or unrestrained person; to be wanton in behavior, action, manner; to waste carelessly or in luxurious pleasures 2Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. 2Peter 2:19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. There is the mirror image of wierwille-----1) swelling words of vanity, 2) alluring others, 3) lusts of the flesh, 4) in search of wantonness, 5) living in error, 6) promise followers liberty, 7) wierwille served corruption, 8) wierwille brought BONDAGE to followers. Where was this "great power of God" that wierwille espoused.....WHEN HE COULD NOT CHANGE HIMSELF? Even at 62 years of age, wierwille is alluring women into his motor coach. Howard knew it. Don knew it. Craig knew it. Geer knew it. Donna knew it. Rosalie knew it. To the very end, his grave.....wierwille's wantonness. And still, TO THIS DAY.........enablers and ilk cover for him and this evil.
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  3. It's also no accident that Wierwille and his doctrine attracted people connected to the John Birch Society and that various conspiracy theories from JBS spilled over into twi. JALvis' father (a key Wierwille benefactor) was an early and longtime JBS driving force. Liberty and Freedom were key words in JBS. JBS and those concepts enabled (gave permission to) Wierwille's wantonness. Please not that I'm not putting this out for a political discussion. This is TWI/Wierwille's history. I'm only documenting it and connecting dots. JBS was a major holocaust denier and source of the None Dare Call It Conspiracy and Thirteenth Tribe concepts as we heard about them in twi. As a student, Allen majored in history at Stanford University in Palo Alto, California,[2] and studied as well at California State University in Long Beach.[3] He was a prominent member of Robert W. Welch, Jr.'s John Birch Society, of which he was a spokesman. He contributed to magazines such as Conservative Digest[4] and American Opinion magazine since 1964.[5] He also was the speech writer for George Wallace, the former governor of Alabama and a one-time segregationist, during the 1968 U.S. presidential election against Richard M. Nixon and Hubert H. Humphrey. He was an advisor to the conservative Texas millionaire Nelson Bunker Hunt.[4] In 1971, Allen wrote with Larry Abraham a book titled None Dare Call It Conspiracy (prefaced by U.S. Representative John G. Schmitz of California's 35th congressional district and the nominee of the American Independent Party in the 1972 U.S. presidential election). It sold more than four million copies[6] during the 1972 presidential campaign opposing Nixon and U.S. Senator George S. McGovern.[7] I meant to say, "Please NOTE that I'm not putting this out for a political discussion. This is TWI/Wierwille's history. I'm only documenting it and connecting dots.
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