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You don't have to "crap on TWI or STF" to get your questions answered here.

I am simple person and probably labeled as just plain stupid not to deny my faith. Shall I provide extensive prolog in order to defend my faith, can I be as extensive as the poster of this sub-forum to explain his reasons for non-belief - why would anyone care what I had to say. It's called belief because that's what it is - does anyone deny the right to believe? It's just a simple little verb but to exercise it, you are scrutinized. Why not just exclude the verb from our vocabulary or as a term used by the uninformed. I have enjoyed reading, over and over, this sub-forum, it strengthened my beliefs or at the least, trust in the book that supports my beliefs. I understand the belief in the Koran by numerous sects in the middle east, they don't have Hollywood TV and movies to dilute that belief and utilize it as their justification for their Jihad - no opposing opinion accepted. Now, the seeing of miracles, it does enforce my belief but as Jesus said in the 14th chapter of John: what does what, miracles support belief or belief supports miracles, either way, do you see the Father cause He is in me and I am in Him. You can believe on him for either his words alone or that the miracles support his words (during the last supper, think he's getting real down and dirty at that point in time and his life, not much more he can say to his guys given the time left). So allow us who chose to have a belief some breathing room. One can not bring you, an unbeliever, to a belief that you find discord, your choice, go with God's grace: no harm - no foul. This is an excellent sub-forum topic, to evaluate why we believe what we do and why we don't believe at all. Thanks again. Tzaia: I am a full blown lunatic - love that OT and that moon.

I used to feel the same way. Now I don't. Now I see *it* as the problem. I used to think that people disappoint people and that god doesn't do that because he's not people. I don't think that anymore. I'm pretty equal opportunity. I would say that's it's impossible to live out the life laid out in the bible. And now I'm leaning towards not particularly desirable. I used to applaud effort. Now I don't because I find very few are in the "true effort" category. Actually, statistically insignificant. Most of the time I don't really care enough to get emotional. But to get back to the point - I like JAL. I knew (and cared deeply for) his parents, siblings, both wives, child. He's grown a lot in the past few years. I knew JWS and liked him at one time; spent a lot of time with hiim. He has his head so far up his butt and DG's butt.... Have no use for DG. He's manipulative and dishonest. JWS has no special insight into the bible.He believes he does, which makes him subject to bias and all kinds of things. He is being honest about this: that he has done the translation to fit with his theology. I had issues with that. I no longer care; it's simply another rabbit hole You do care. I still think it's nothing more than a rabbit hole. You are welcome.

It was when I applied the "outsider test" to what I believed that I moved on from Christianity. I started by questioning what Martindale was peddling in WayAP; comparing what he was saying to existing Way doctrine That led me to questioning what Wierwille taught; comparing what he taught to his own "keys to the Word's interpretation That led me to look at the various offshoots, all teaching different things, all based supposedly on the same "keys" That led me to question whether there even could be a right dividing of the bible Which led me to ask myself why I thought there was a good reason to believe that the bible was any truer than anything else For a long time I maintained an agnostic position about the bible, reasoning that it might be true, but did not see any evidence to support that position Eventually I came to believe that it definitely wasn't handed down by any deity and that it contained a lot of factual errors More recently I have formed the opinion that the bible is not only not God-inspired, but on the whole is a pretty immoral book (especially the OT) This all took years...

Have you considered the bible, i.e. religion itself is the problem? All these efforts to decode the book; get it right; live it right; drive people to do some pretty fracked up stuff to other people - and themselves.