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socks......you lost me there. I have grievances against the Way, against wierwille.......BECAUSE HE AND TRUSTEES WERE DECEPTIVE AND MANIPULATIVE AND BETRAYED TWI FOLLOWERS AND THE CORPS. In this thread, primarily, we've been discussing the bogus associate theology degree and the salt covenant. I contend that the whole concept of an "associate theology degree and an accredited christian college" was all a ruse......twi wasn't even in the ballpark of that description. The Emporia campus was a clone-factory to punch out as many J0hnnie T0wns3nds that it could.....in other words, dedicated class instructors. Not leaders! Not men of integrity! Not decision-makers. The corps was a follower-ship program. My grievances against twi are many.....but bottom-line, a bait-and-switch operation. Twi baited willing volunteers with verses of scripture, baited us with veneer programs.....but inside, they were HYPOCRITES as depicted of the Pharisees in my last post. I understand that you went thru "the system" and corps a few years before me and saw "the Farm" a few years before me. And, I sat in many meetings and sharings where Howard would talk about helping to build the BRC...or Mal & Jan would share about being led into sit by wierwille. All that stuff is small potatoes to what I'm spotlighting here. More along the lines...."it's not what enters a man that defiles him, but what comes out of the man" sorta thing. TWI became defiled because the HEARTS OF THE TRUSTEES was defiled. If I were to highlight and talk about people like you, socks, and hundreds of others who were simple-hearted and pure.....I could attest to the goodness of God. There were many, many good-hearted folk in twi who had deep compassion in their hearts to serve others. I understand that. But the stumbling block was twi's upper leaders......same as in Jesus' day where the Pharisees lorded over the people. And, that's why twi's salt covenant is a sordid sin pact.......they (twi) can wallow in sin, yet hold the advanced class grads and corps accountable to cherry-picked scriptures. For all their "First Century Church" jargon....they make it sound like the early believers walked in lockstep unity with a renewed mind. Egads! Doesn't anyone read the scriptures anymore and have an ounce of critical thinking? The early believers were as diverse and opinionated and unique as it gets. So, socks.......my grievances are NOT with the little rules and regs that twi implemented to safeguard them from the townies. I can appreciate some of the "warm-fuzzies" of yester-year and all......but, geeze-louise, when the curtain is pulled back all I see is a bumbling, conniving "wizard" in purple pajamas. And, like Dorothy in that classic movie, MOST EVERYTHING I WAS SEARCHING FOR, I HAD ALL ALONG. :)

Socks.....you are a peacemaker. I like that and respect you for it. Me?.......I come to GS to tell the other side and to help break the yoke of bondage. Here, at GS......that verse "he that is greatest among you shall be your servant" is quoted quite often. And, in context.....Jesus pulled NO PUNCHES in reproving the Pharisees. Mat 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in [yourselves], neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. Mat 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Mat 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Mat 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead [men's] bones, and of all uncleanness. Mat 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous

This was ironic indeed. It was clearly a face saving response aimed at "innie" Wayfers, yet it was never once mentioned in any other context because no one would openly admit they were out here with the "cop-outs". I agree with Paw that this must have factored into Harve losing his spot on the B.O.D. Interesting side note, I found GSC and gave the forums my first serious look at the unwitting prompt of my Limb Coordinator. Mrs. Wierwille had just died and we needed to inform people with a phone call. It had just happened, and I was told I needed to get the word out quickly because, "the cop outs already have it all over the internet." I was surprised at this description and did a bit of googling. Far from "all over the internet", it was being discussed in a thread on the GreaseSpot Cafe forums. Shortly after that, I found my brother out here and learned why he really left The Way. I started to face things I had not given an honest hearing previously. Over the next couple years my TWI relationship completely unraveled. Funny how it was my Limb Coordinator who accidentally lead me here. Thanks, man.