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Besides the five gift ministries (Eph 4:11)......the scriptures make reference to helps, governments, and workers of miracles in the context of the church (I Cor 12:28,29). To me, there is far more depth to this context than wierwille or twi ventured to go. For example, prophets......do they speak and forwarn cultures and societies of calamities, famines, governmental breakdowns, corruption, enemy uprisings, etc to protect us? Clearly, God protected civilizations and cultures from impending doom to preserve the Christ line. Don't the scriptures teach that even the unjust are greatly benefited by God's benevolence and His prophets? Or say, pastors?........are they just confined to church or religious settings? Can pastors be found ministering in prisons? rehabilitation centers? hospitals? funeral homes? war zones? missionary work? family intervention? college campuses? retirement homes? How wide of swath does this ministry cover? How big is the God of All Comfort? Same with teachers......all walks of life, secular and spiritual. Why does everything have to be black/white theology with twi? Didn't Jesus teach about LIFE AND GODLINESS..... fishing, crops, harvest, money, business, talents, building, traditions, government, etc????? EVERYTHING wierwille and twi taught is suspect. EVERYTHING needs to be researched and reconsidered. EVERYTHING.

The evil hypocrite vpw shamelessly rewrote what each of the gift ministers was, all so he could use it to his own advantage. Sometimes he was willing to claim he was one or another- more often, he made the comparisons obvious and left it for others to say. Apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers. An APOSTLE is a "SENT ONE." A lot of Christians know this. But vpw said an apostle "brings new light to their generation. It may be old light, but to his generation, it's new light." vpw was obviously not a "sent one" because the only one who "sent" him was himself, and he "sent" himself wherever the money or the young women were. However, he claimed to bring "new light", although even he had to admit this "new light" was "old light" at the time, so he made up an excuse for THAT, too. Prophets speak for God, to God's people. Because they have to correct those going off, they are often HATED as bearers of bad news, and some spent time in prisons or tortured or killed for it. vpw was "a hard man to take" because he was immature and lacked self-control. He CLAIMED to speak for God. His claims never made him a REAL prophet. Evangelists speak to the people to win new Christians. vpw rewrote this too- he said an evangelist isn't the one who goes out, he's the one who gets the OTHER Christians fired up to go out. He stays back, smoking cigars and drinking Drambuie out of a coffee cup. Very convenient for vpw. He could make all sorts of claims and work maybe 2 days a week, and still claim titles under God. Pastors are like shepherds. Jesus said the shepherd gives his life for the sheep. The shepherd is THE protector of the flock, and risks his own life for the flock. vpw USED the flock, and considered the flock ripe for fleecing. He SPOKE about using up his life for the flock, then went back, lit another cigar and poured himself more booze. Teachers- not every person can be propped in front of a room and actually be a gift minister of a teacher. Those teachers CHANGE LIVES. FOR THE BETTER. Those who vpw changed more have just become vpw machines, spitting out vpw dogma and rhetoric, and crushing their own free will in the process. vpw was to teaching what Dahmer was to fine dining.