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I had a good friend who died of cancer, ex-wafer. He started fellowshipping with a group some would call "name it and claim it". He kept confessing and confessing and confessing and claiming his healing. The he died. The problem with this "magic of believing" thing is that it kept him from dying peacefully, He was always "fighting" and claiming, and confessing. It was very sad, really.

I'm sorry.. if I've asked too much.. I often do that.. what the hell do we often ask for.. yeah, too much.. we are all the same..

in other words.. correct me if I'm wrong. "any port in the storm".. I dunno.. if we were born in India.. or some place else.. would we have hung out a shingle for Shiva.. my dad.. seemed to go through this process of self- and everything realization with sadness.. at least as I remember.. I'll say more, as appropriate..

And I know it's quite chic amongst the religiously disposed to denigrate man's abilities, but when was the last time a holyman or holy thunderer made a photo like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot (made at the request of that evil, "senses man" - Carl Sagan. When we're not quibbling about some arcane syntax in some ancient "holy" writ - or fighting a war over same - I think mankind can - and DOES - do some amazing stuff, given half a chance...

Good comments. Forgive me for butting in, I have not been by here for quite some time. I have had my own math to solve. :) The fact I am alive and doing great is whole 'nuther story! I have spent much of my time the last few years researching alternative treatments and approaches for cancer. Certainly the topic of belief (mine) and its impact upon my longevity has come to my mind MANY times over the years. So I am not writing this without a lot of introspection. Anyway, Broken Arrow, on this topic of believing and living which you brought up I would like to add that we were taught that the ONLY thing preventing us from being healed was our believing. Do you remember that? And that there was no condemnation if we went to Third Aid. It may turn out that this Wierwille teaching is true... only NOT true in the way we were told it was true. It may be that belief in "faith healing" actually gets in the way of certain healing techinques. Yes. Its ok. I will pause until everyone reads that line again. I am not offering this info to start a thread-war about the virtue (or not) of believing - - and the role it plays in a person's life - - or not - - It turns out, there is some very good research being done in this area of healing of cancer by William Bengston. His work is a game-changer IMO. He has gone about his work in a very professional way and his results are pushing hard against conventional wisdom in both science and circles of faith. For example, he has noted that in using his healing technique that if the people 'believe" that God will heal the person, or that they will perform the healing... then the healing results are lessened. This is certainly opposite of everything we learned in our days in the Way... or nearly any church for that matter. His results are clinically confirmed. Bengston video intro I will butt out now. Thanks for considering this remarkable piece of information. Many people may be dying to know it. And the topic seemed an appropriate segue for me to introduce it. This is an excellent thread and deserves to carry on. If this was a de-reail... forgive me, please.