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Just to add a very small thought to this thread: Teach suggested the mansions could be tents. A tent is a temporary place - the tent of meeting in the wilderness in Exodus was something that could be taken down, rolled up and put away. A mansion suggests permanence, always there. Like the new Jerusalem, in Revelation - a permanent city. Maybe the mansion(s) is in the new Jerusalem? These things are interesting to think about. However, they're a long way in the future and too much thinking about them can lead to "head knowledge" and not heart knowledge. After so much TWI "this is our private theory" and analysis of individual words, I always try to ask myself the question: How does this help me live my life better RIGHT NOW? We know we have the promise of something great to come in the future. Just as we cannot explain to a fetus how great life is outside the confines of the womb (where, that being a fetus's sole existence and knowledge, no doubt it was perfectly happy), I think God cannot explain to us how wonderful our new life will be. He gives us images to try to help, but we can only guess at it, in this lifetime. That said - carry on. Interesting thread.

Hi socks, the bible is a playground for figurative thinking, it sure seems that way at times? Hebrews 8:2 "and Yeshua has become the minister of the Sanctuary, and of the true Tent, which Yahweh pitched, not man"; the tent Moses built, was copied after the tent Yahweh pitched. The tent Yahweh pitched is a physical tent, just like the tent Moses built was physical. The physical things Moses had built for the tent, Yahweh told him to build, are the same things in Yahweh's tent. It is funny how when one hears something enough, like spirit, one just starts accepting it as fact. The fact is that their is way to much spirit, it seems everything is spiritual, spiritual walk, spiritual life, spiritual power, spiritual body, spiritual buildings. It seems VeePee had a hay day with his spiritual exploring; sit next to me on my bus young lady, lets explore the spiritual side of things. Colman stock would be a good deal, but one can make more money with spirit, twist a teaching from the bible with spirit, sell a book? A.T. Robertson wrote a book, Grammer of the Greek New Testament in Light of Historical Research, this guy gets into some words, were the meanings of those words were deliberately changed; these deliberately changed words are nothing but a pain, from the gnosticism twists, up to Constantine twists, up to Luther twists, up to VeePees many ways to explore spiritual matters on his bus. Thanks for your insight socks, it seems that all that spirit twisting of the bible has gotten in my way to share that life with you, sometimes it seems we got to wait until the gathering together of the body, of which Yeshua is the head, to see which spirit twist gets gathered up? I will stay with that life Yeshua got, I remember reading Revelation, and that John saw two groups of people, the first group was small, but the second group was way more bigger then the first; maybe it is going to take the day of Yahweh to convince people, the life that Yahweh has within himself is a noun. Or the life that Yahweh has is spiritual life, a spiritual noun and a spiritual verb? The north is talked about in Isa. 14:13,14; funny thing though, I thought I would look this north stuff up in the Tanakh translation, none of that north business is in the Tanakh translation? Maybe what John saw, thrones and all that stuff in Revelations, was a notion that's anachronistically read back into the old testament to explain the "On the summit of Zaphon" All the bibles in the world have that north, but how that north got in their, is not what is being talked about in 14:13,14-Isaiah is mocking the Assyrian king, the whole world is relieved at the death of the Assyrian king, whose brutality was renowned; but Isaiah is mocking the the king's vain aspirations to god-like status? Thats what is so cool about researching, research it again, trippe stuff. Funny thing about this Tanakh translation, Jesus being the servent teaching in Isaiah, is not in their either; the servent in Isaiah, is Yahweh's servent coming out of Babylon, the Israelites? Maybe a "life after death" has a reason for this room like thing in Revelations, to be overly forced on the old testament? I made the claim that a superiority teaching was added to Hebrews, maybe some of that stuff was add to justify this superiority teaching?

but back to the "you die.. when you stop believing.." isn't the claim.. if you stop believing, you die? that would mathematically speaking, be equivalent to.. "you will not die, if you do not stop believing.." It's the contra positive to the original claim.. the problem is.. they didn't define "believing".. "believing".. what? or is it just raw "believing".. or is it.. what? if it's "raw believing".. what da hell is that?

I've always thought of "many mansions" as different dimensions. Science knows there are at least 11 possible dimensions. I think we have no clue what's beyond our little universe (although to us it seems big). I've just always thought "dimensions." God is outside space and time. We are not. We think in linear terms and can't imagine thinking in eternal term without boundaries of space and time. We are here on earth, yet told we are already seated above the heavens in the place called "glory" with Christ. It seems, we are two different places at once (Eph. and Col.). Our minds can't comprehend that - or even apprehend it. We also know quantum physics deals with one particle that can be two different places at once and millions of miles away from each other yet in the same place. Think of a mansion how you want.