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And I know it's quite chic amongst the religiously disposed to denigrate man's abilities, but when was the last time a holyman or holy thunderer made a photo like this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot (made at the request of that evil, "senses man" - Carl Sagan. When we're not quibbling about some arcane syntax in some ancient "holy" writ - or fighting a war over same - I think mankind can - and DOES - do some amazing stuff, given half a chance...

God first thanks teachmevp I believe there are many returns happening at the same moment otherwise the dead in are coming back future tense, and the dead will come back present tense, in the dead will come back passed tense otherwise are happening at the same moment of many times but about walking on water water changes into three forms solid, liquid, gas can water not changed forms for the son of God to a solid form so the son of God can walk on it I saw water change form have you maybe it all three forms right now maybe it changes form faster than the eye can see with love and a holy kiss Roy

fwiw...you might like Teresa of Avila's visions of mansions teachmevp...and anyone. It seems the Bible and Judeo-Christian history is rich with comparing the soul to houses, mansions, temples and other forms of architecture. As if the much of the groundwork for much of what we call psychology was laid in monasteries and convents. Avoidance and demonization of these contemplative dimensions of Judeo-Christianity is perhaps one of the most severe flaws of VPW/PFAL/TWI and ilk. As if we traded our direct experience of our very own soul's development for a story about God that is mostly outside of our selves and somewhere else but here. Some of the best news i've ever heard is that the soul responds a thousandfold to our inquiry and attention.

Wow, teach! This is a DISCUSSION board and that's what Pax did, was contribute to the discussion here. I don't get it. Is your intention to lecture and to only allow opinions that mirror yours? If so, please state that at the beginning of your post and people can decide if they want to tow your line or go elsewhere and think freely as we see fit. We're no longer in the cult and no longer have to all think exactly the same thoughts, thank God!

Thanks for your Progressive point of view, but I am not a progressive, just a PFAL grad going foreword with research. Just some word studies I did one day, but thank for your progressive point of view, play nice, stay on topic?

oops, seems i forgot "none of the above" before "all of the above"..."zen before tantra" if one was to compare eastern words. if we ever all make it back through the fire to eden...seems it will at least involve us remembering food is beautiful medicine and the earth is a vast but finite garden. ...and trees of good and evil are not evil, just toxic to humans...and we do very well to abstain from putting it anywhere near our mouths. which, imho, points to the nondual and nonviolent visions and voices of Christian and non-Christian history and today.

of course.. not just unemployed offshoot wanabes I'm sure. da way always has a *need*.. maybe rosies cats need a manicure.. well, better cause or use of the money than their usual alternatives.. send your pennies to: the Cat New Knoxville, Ohio. don't worry, *they* will know where to send it..