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Jerry, time to wake up and smell the Reality, dude! "I have to agree with those who point out that homosexuality cannot be equated to drinking. Homosexuality is clearly and consistently denounced in the Scripture as sinful. I believe "abomination" is the work used in the OT, which makes it not only sinful but disgustingly so. So for the progressives to accuse those who oppose gay marriage as narrow-minded or backward is unfair." Well Jerry, ya know something. Just because you believe that the Bible calls homosexuality an 'abomination' doesn't remove such determinations from being rendered as backwards. That might seem 'unfair' to you, but then again, consider how homosexuals feel about having what they do as being rendered as 'an abomination' (which is an admitedly strong term, stronger than 'unfair'). "Another pet peeve of mine is the consistent equating of the gay rights movement to the civil rights movement. As an African American and a staunch believer in the inherent rightness of the civil rights movement, I must point out that this is analogy only holds water if you believe that people are born gay or lesbian. I for one, don't believe that." Well, exccuuussee me. So just because _you_ don't believe that gays are born that way somehow invalidates, _for the whole homosexual group_, the need for civil rights? And since when did the fact that you're black kick into this? Do some blacks feel that the whole concept of civil rights somehow belongs to them? Exclusively? I've heard some black religious leaders act pretty much the same way, with this "Hey! That's _mine_!" attitude when homosexuals (and atheists even!) start using terms like 'civil rights' and 'equality' as well. ... Hey kid! Time to share the toys! "For one there is the whole Anne Heich fiasco. For those who have forgotten Anne, she was Ellen Degeneres' partner when Ellen came out of the closet. In an interview with Oprah, Ellen affirmed she'd always been lesbian, but Anne said she'd been heterosexual until she met Ellen. A short time later, Anne fled their love nest and ran screaming to a guy. She is now once again heterosexual, although probably not mentally or emotionally stable." Wow, gee! *One* example of (what's called) a switch hitter, and all the increasing scientific evidence of homosexuality being naturally born in certain people goes straight out the window? Ummm, what about all the (increasing) evidence where homosexuality is even occuring in the animal world? "In short, I don't believe people are not "born" gay. It's a lifestyle choice. On the other hand, people are born African-American, Latino, or Asian. Granting equality for ethnic groups does not automatically mean we should grant equality to gays and lesbians. Insisting that these two principles are the same is not only dishonest, it's offensive to some." Oh I just *love* this little jewel. Ok guy, let's continue playing this game of yours. Gays aren't born that way, ergo they _don't_ get to enjoy equality under the law. (Where some people came up with _that_ illogic, I can only attribute to drugs. :-\), whilst black/other non-white people are born their way, so they get to enjoy equality under the law. With me so far? ... Good. What about religion? Since you weren't born a Christian (No! You weren't. You were *taught* it!), ... according to the same logic, ... ... you, as a Christian, should not enjoy the same rights as anyone else. Right? ... Right? Stop and think about it for once, will you please? And I don't give a _damn_ who is 'offended' because gays/lesbians get equality under the law. Stop and think about _that_. Getting mad because someone gets equality under the law? Yeah? Well there were plenty of people who got 'offended' because blacks got equality under the law, and even they used bible verses to back them up. They wore white sheets too! And taking the "But I think that the fundies s*ck sometimes" argument do little to give you the 'Fair and Balanced' image. Equal civil rights apply to ALL. It _has_ to be that way. That's the beauty of the Constitution. And it sure as hell beats any 'godly' government I've ever seen talked about from a lot of Christians. Oh and here's a question for you for bonus points: Why _shouldn't_ homosexuals/lesbians have equal civil rights, hmmm? From a point of law, that is? From a point of ethics? The only basis you bring it up is from the religious/'it offends me' standpoint. ... A standpoint which should have _no_ basis in law.