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did i already start this topic? it came up again when i typed it in i am so angry do you know that is what he said to kris when she came for COUNSELING????? he meant BEING WITH HIM was a reason to feel good about being alive can you believe this ? as in being with him SEXUALLY ohmygod there are real human beings who have committed suicide or wanted to because of this and HE THINKS this is a reason to feel good about being alive !!!!!!!!!! how can people or offwayshooters excuse this ? would you go to your minister or priest or shrink or camp counselor or teacher or anyone you hold in high esteem and expect that they would tell you having sex with them was the reason you should feel good about being alive????? it's beyond my brain. he told me i would get healed from past abuse. he never told me that's why i would feel good about being alive! i hate his guts. HOW DARE HE HURT LITTLE PEOPLE. this isn't about someone who was horny. this about a sick human being. i even said somewhere recently when marsha was going through this torture there was someone else over on the other bed can you understand how bad this is of course he was a sick mean person i can forgive him but when people want to EXCUSE him i cannot ever ever do that sorry i'm going so crazy today i look to this basterd to help me through my childhood abuse and his answer is to you-know-what me\ WHAT ? WHAT ? WHAT ? if he did this to my son, i believe i would kill him oh god -- just think about it -- you need help -- you need counseling in an area which is so shameful to begin with -- and this is how you are treated ? from the frucking pope ? the man of god ? it's just astrounging i mean astounding damn it ohmgoodness i am sqad sad i can't type sorry i am furious a father in the word ? what the hell is that all about ? a FATHER ? yeah, i had one of those too i feel like spitting on him and others you cannot trust anyone well, there are nice people in this world but oh should i even go on ? i'm making myself sick I'LL SHOW YOU WHAT'S GOOD ABOUT BEING ALIVE i am throwing up the arrogance. he's disgusting. i wish his other eye rotted out (god forgive me) -- -- -- i'll tell you what's good about being alive -- surviving YOU! how dare you use young girls. i don't even care if they worshipped your sick sorry azz you're supposed to know better did you start a ministry so you could have young firm ones? you make me SICK if you even had ONE CLUE about god's love or the love of christ you would have -- i don't know -- left this planet lol or done something good with your life -- like being a farmer or whatever you are your stupid motorcycles and planes and buses and you taught others on top of it all ppppfffftttt and frucking geer and martindale and all these popples who looked up to you and WALTER what the hell are these people thinking killing a soul is okay??????????????????????????????? yeah, right. i'm sure god/christ would agree with you i'm done with you. i hope to meet you later as far as donna and rosalie, i want to spit on them too. it doesn't take too much to realize the ungodliness of it all. sorry if that's out of your all's (:)) comfort zone keep [playing your make-believe games. i thankfully believe you will somehow answer you not only destroyed simple stupid followers like myself but you destroyed your own children, your own selves it's just very very sad and bad -- -- -- -- okay, i feel a little bit better -- -- --\ thanks

Geeze, I wish you guys would quit being so negative. VP (You know he wasn't really a doctor, don't you?) Wierwille said right there in PLAF (the wonder class) that if The Way ever discovered evidence that contradicted their previous teachings, they would immediately make the necessary changes. See? That's why it's called The New DYNAMIC ("ever changing") Church. Please save all your questions until the final post of this thread. And remember, if you are ever in a position of just needing to know, feel free to write: The Lecher P.O. Box 328/Cloud #9 Old Dead Guy, Ohio 45871

Then there is the perspective that "by his stripes ye were healed" is a Hebrew figure of speech known as the prophetic perfect, where future events are worded as happening in the past tense to emphasize the surety of the promises fulfillment. Just saying. We are obviously not healed in the biblical sense of no sickness or death. But I am sure this disagrees with whats is the way international's "storehouse of truth."

Sunesis is a guy.