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Funny thing to consider. To me, it is like lying but there are some differences. It is total deception. The difference is that with lying people still have a conscience. With many of these clowns they may have had a conscience the first few times they did it, lied and justified it as advancing "the ministry", but over time their conscience has been seared with a hot iron, as described Biblically. They lie about things and never even consider that they are lying. It's their modus operandi and their self-importance in their own mind prevents them from acknowledging the falsehood. They have a vision that somehow what they are doing is "preserving the Word ™ for the next generation". It's a false vision. Like the false vision VP had when he was sexually molesting all those women. He thought he was "healing" them. Instead he was deeply and emotionally injuring them. Their morals are low, their lust for power is high, so that is ripe ground for false visions to be planted. A false vision is a lie. It's just on a much more grandiose scale.

He's been at this for a long time Abigail. In fact the Book of Mormons is one of his favorite Jewish subjects Back in 1997 he wrote this gem,... oh, and as a Rabbi, quoting himself - touching! ========================================================= KAL V'KHOMER IN THE BOOK OF MORMON Kal v'khomer is one of the Seven Rulles of Hillel. James Trimmwrites concerning Kal v'khomer: Kal v'khomer is one of the seven rules for understanding the scriptures written by Hillel. Hillel did not invent the rules, in fact they are so old we see them used in the Tenach. The kol v'komer thoughtform is used to make an argument from lesser weight based on one of greater weight. It may be expressed as: If X is true of Y then how much more X must be true of Z (Where Z is of greater weight than Y) A kol v'khomer argument is often, but not always, signalled by a phrase like "how much more..." (KAL V'KHOMER IN THE NEW TESTAMENT by James Scott Trimm) Trimm cites several examples of kal v'khomer in the Tanakh. For example: Behold the righteous shall be recompensed in the earth: much more the wicked and the sinner. (Prov. 11:31) And: If you have run with footmen and they have wearied you, then how can you contend with horses? (Jer. 12:5a) Other Tanakh examples to look at: Dt. 31:27; 1Sam. 23:3; Jer. 12:5b; Ezkl. 15:5; Esther 9:12 Trimm also cites several examples of kal v'khomer in the New Testament: If a man recieves circumcision on the Sabbath, so that the Law of Moses should not be broken, are you angry with me because I made a man completely well on the sabbath? (Jn. 7:23) And: What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will not lay hold of it and lift it out? Of how much more value then is a man than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. (Mt. 12:11-12)Other NT examples are: Mt. 6:26, 30 = Lk. 12:24, 28 Mt. 7:11 = Lk. 11:13 Mt. 10:25 & Jn. 15:18-20 Mt. 12:12 & Jn. 7:23 Rom. 5:8-9, 10, 15, 17; 11:12, 24 1Cor. 9:11-12; 12:22 2Cor. 3:7-9, 11 Philip. 2:12 Phil. 1:16 Heb. 2:2-3; 9:13-14; 10:28-29; 12:9, 25 Now the kal v'khomer thoughtform is also found on several occasionsin the Book of Mormon. The following are some examples: And now, if the Lord has such great power, and has wrought so many miacles among the children of men, how is it that he cannot instruct me, that I should build a ship? (1Ne. 17:51) And now, if the Lamb of God, he being holy, should have need to be immersed by water, to fulfil all righteousness, O then, how much more need have we, being unholy, to be immersed, yes, even by water! (2Ne. 31:5)Other Book of Mormon examples are: 1Ne. 3:31; 4:1; 7:8-12 Mosiah 4:22 Alma 32:18-19 3Ne. 13:26; 14:11This use of the Semitic thought-form kal v'khomer clearly points to theJewish background of the Book of Mormon.Rabbi YosefTHE USE OF QUOTATIONS BY JAMES SCOTT TRIMM SHOULD NOT BE CONSTRUED AS TOINDICATE THAT TRIMM ADVOCATES THE BOOK OF MORMON.

James, You are also a Rabbi? "Rabbi Yosef - Based largely on research by other authors." (No Doubt) Also in one article (as The Rabbi), you quote James Scott Trimm (amusing) ..........(Article continues... and is signed at the end..) (Seriously funny stuff, that -James) Are you still Yosef benYehudah (rabbiyosef@hotmail.com) In 1999, you were posting both as James Trimm and the Rabbi at chofjclist · Church of Jesus Christ List. Again The Rabbi and Trimm, as two different, distinct people. I read several of the posts. The Good Rabbi was a strong supporter of James Trimm's views there in that forum. (Deleted posts on Yahoo Groups are archived, even though they cannot be viewed at the group - Yahoo saves everything, BTW) Having a Rabbi at your disposal to support you is such a wonderful thing, it lends weight and authority to the words of Dr. James Trimm's views. I'm amused,... and there's a lot more that I found... Again,... why did you do this? Why the duplicity? Do you need me to put out the sources (proof) to jog your memory? You know, a lot of people here at GSC aren't worried about your doctrine,... just your character. Why not just admit what you've done and get it off your chest? That's my point.

Now James. You owned the Website for the college, which you once used to convince someone you had a degree (circa 2003). I have the particulars - but my question is WHY? Why did you do that, and you did make an attempt to decieve others into believing it was "outside" confirmation. You realize, of course that that idiotic maneuver forever tarnished you as a liar. The college never owned that site. James Trimm did. And pretending to be a third person wrote to a group, telling them - you or james trimm can go there and look. Rather silly. Why did you do that?

Well, my spelling was off. It is actually the Noahic laws, they are the 7 commandments given to Noah after the flood: 1) to establish courts of justice 2) not to commit blasphemy 3) not to commit idolatry 4) not to commit incest and adultery 5) not to commit bloodshed 6) not to commit robbery and 7) not to eat flesh cut from a living animal. SOURCE

The more things change...the more they stay the same. :) This is not much different than what Paul was confronted by in the 1st century....(dare I say it?) CHURCH. It did some serious damage to his relationships with the people of Corinth and it is also apparent in Galatians...these guys were trouble. Putting people again in bondage. Extremes? On one end we have those who would subject people to laws and rules that don't apply.....and on the opposite end we have people like VP who lived as if sin didn't exist and grace was a license to live in a debauched and base manner. Christians find freedom in Christ...both extremes are just a dressed up rejection of Christ...IMO. A way to adopt religion.