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Ok, really, I'm trying to understand here, truly. I'll drop it except to say that I do understand the young people aspect, being a mother and that of a 15 year old who is obviously searching, asking, questioning and yes it is wonderful to see her eyes when she heads for her own decisions. Also the mother of a 28 year old who is making some really bad choices and could use some of some God in my opinion (even if a fable) but who listens to their mama when they're 28? I guess I'm stuck on the "storybook" part of this thread. So rather than keep badgering you about it, I'll move along and maybe the answer will be in here somewhere; it might already be, but I do better with as little in between stuff as possible. I'm just not clear as to what you consider "storybook" where God's love and the Bible and all that is concerned. Pretend there is a white flag in this feller's hand I get it, the answer isn't here, no biggie, just my curious nature to want to know.

I've attempted to follow this thread a little bit........ I'm not understanding something, however. The word "storybook". Are you looking for the perfection stuff, the never make a mistake stuff, the exact never leave room for change or error kind of thing. If so, I think I might get it a little bit, as I find myself on my face (almost literally) before God in some anger that has me reeling lately and I'm finally coming around to the reality the last few days, I hope. Not to mention that my almost 15 year old daughter has been asking me some really honest and difficult questions about God and people and putting the two together; most of them I can't answer for her and that's prompted me to consider 'what the hell DO I believe/think/want'. For me and me only. You don't know my children, but this one can debate! So, it's been a fantastic time of digging deep and looking long. I guess what I'm saying, Composer, is I'm not sure I get what your question is; or comment perhaps. I do well with the straight up information, no matter if your information isn't necessarily pretty. Just trying to understand.

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God first thanks Composer Sometimes loving them is always not about telling about Jesus no matter who man was it about helping them there time to tell later I sure christian are just helping No ask is where is money whether a person loves God is not the need getting them help is but was wrote to help it was wrote why? what have giving to help? there been enough talk with love and a holy kiss Roy