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Ok, so you are an alleged christian pastor in Haiti explaining the trinitarian God of Love? Scenario: You are trying to counsel a young man whose parents and most brothers & sisters save one sister have been entirely wiped out by the Haitian earthquake. The surviving brothers he is informed were sold by criminals into sex paedophile slavery or for body parts to wealthy europeans. The young man himself had been buried for 10 days and his fractures and wounds have become septic and his legs and one arm now amputated and he is now blinded by head trauma. You then advise him that one of his sisters did survive for a few days after being rescued, but machetti wielding criminal survivors having escaped from the prisons that collapsed with the earthquake, found her with a bottle of water given to her by a passing soldier, so they raped her, cut her to pieces and stole her bottle of water. But ' hey ' Jesus loves you buddy! Facts - f1. Criminals raping Haiti earthquake survivors, says police chief Ruth Morris and Clarens Renois From: AFP January 29, 2010 3:30PM A man wearing a T-shirt with an image of US President Barack Obama gestures as he walks at a damaged area in Port-au-Prince. Picture: Reuters Source: Reuters BANDITS are preying on Haiti earthquake survivors, even raping women, in camps set up after the disaster. "With the blackout that's befallen the Haitian capital, bandits are taking advantage to harass and rape women and young girls under the tents," Haiti police chief Mario Andresol told reporters. "We have more than 7000 detainees in the streets who escaped from the National Penitentiary the evening of the earthquake... It took us five years to apprehend them. Today they are running wild." Rachelle Dolce, who is living at large makeshift camp on the Petionville Club Golf Course, said she thought a rape had occurred outside her tent the previous night. She said she heard men making noise and a woman struggling. "I heard a fight outside, and I saw panties on the ground," she said. "I started to shout a lot, and they left." Figures for the number of crimes were not available but women's organisations have already detailed a number of cases and alerted the United Nations mission in Haiti, Mr Andresol said. His warning came a day after UN human rights chief Navi Pillay said that gangsters and child traffickers could try to exploit the chaos triggered by Haiti's devastating earthquake to step up their criminal activities. The January 12 earthquake killed around 170,000 people and left more than a million others homeless, many of whom are living in makeshift camps in the ruined capital. Security was tenuous in Haiti before the 7.0-magnitude quake, but Andresol said the police force itself had been crippled by the disaster. Mr Andresol said the Haitian police force had only 8,000 members before the quake and that many of them were now dead or missing, adding that a large number of the remaining officers were demoralised or traumatised. "We lost 70 police officers, nearly 500 are still missing and 400 were wounded," he said at a temporary office standing in for the capital's police headquarters, which collapsed in the quake. The deputy head of the UN Stabilisation Mission in Haiti, Anthony Banbury, said that desperate survivors waiting in line for the trickle of foreign aid reaching Haiti were sometimes turning violent. "It attracts big crowds and there can be disorder around the food distribution so it's absolutely necessary that we get enough food, enough water, enough shelter for the people, and enough security," he said. At the Champ de Mars tent camp that skirts the crumpled National Palace, displaced earthquake survivors said government security was virtually absent. "At night, people take things," said Omen Cola, as she washed a blouse in basin made from a cut-off plastic container. "But I don't have a problem. I don't have anything to steal." Residents said they largely fended for themselves, gathering their meagre belongings into a pile at night and sleeping beside them to guard against theft. In corners of the sprawling camp, youths said they were banding together to protect their possessions -- bags of clothes, chickens, car batteries -- and to collect garbage into piles to be burned. But this raised fears, too, that the bands might fight among themselves. Tina Irisia, 45, said youths from outside the camp had come by shouting that a tsunami was on the way. When people fled, she said, they stole whatever they could get their hands on. "I don't feel safe. But I don't have anywhere else to go," Ms Irisia said as she sliced green peppers in a pan. "Only Jesus Christ is watching over us," said Mariana Merise, 40, a neighbour. (Composer adds, notice how this woman remarks how this story book Jesus sits back and watches it all unfold and did nothing to prevent it in the first place?) The chaos left by the quake has also raised fears that vulnerable children could fall prey to human traffickers. The UN said last week that a number have gone missing from hospitals in Haiti. The US State Department said on Thursday it was working with Haiti's government on efforts to crack down on trafficking. It was "actively involved in addressing the potential for trafficking in persons, particularly children, in post-earthquake Haiti," State Department spokesman Philip Crowley said in a statement. So let's all hear more about this ' God of Love ' shall we? Facts are that Satan believers should be turning to their Satan to lead the world because at least it doesn't cause the death and misery their God does.

You don't believe in My God, so your points are moot. You believe in another god and when you see these things happening, you blame the God you don't believe in. A rather silly exercise. Thank You for proving my point. Your "god/id" or "Intelligent Designer" Is not the same one I believe in. You don't believe in God, you believe in some god. My point stands and is well made. Thank you for proving it. GreaseSpot has many people with a variety of interests and beliefs. No one here is telling you how to worship. I certainly am not telling you how, or who, to worship, Composer. Your replies to my post, neatly broken down, to argue each point, prove every word of what I said there. I'm responding in the manner you'll best understrand by replying in kind to you. Yes,... you're making this about what YOU detest,... for you. It is considered rather bad form to come in here and tell people what they should or should not believe. You can state your beliefs, ask others if they agree or disagree, and invite comment and discussion. You're rude Composer, and as such, not worth any more of my time - unless that changes. You also owe me an apology, for your personal behavior.

I read the thread you started. It is just a list of complaints, and you make no real coherant point about Haiti. Anyways ~ you don't believe in God. You've said as much already. So the only real point to your questions would be to use them as a springboard to argue about something you don't believe in. I hope you're more productive in real life. Perhaps if you were not so bitter (and yes, it really shows in your writing) people would talk to you.

I suspect this topic may have been sufficiently hammered over the years. But ... The Way International bills itself as a Biblical research, teaching and fellowship ministry. Now I was way disciple 2x. I spent a full year "witnessing" mega hours per week and advertising the research part. I always used to think that the research was so special and what made the way international so special and above all other organizations - I was proud. Anyways, we all know the history. Victor Paul Wierwille's "research" turns out to be plagiarized from multiple sources, the good old days where the research team at international brought new light turned out to be not so good in hind sight, since the research turns out to be suspect at best, Craig Martindale ran off or fired most of the old research team, Wayne Clapp eventually left leaving only Craig who was fired in 2000. Please correct me where my memory no longer serves me. Enter Rozilla. She comes out with this new fangled "research policy" that "opens the doors" for all in the ministry to add to the storehouse of research currently available in the way international. Yuk. Anyways, if someone comes across some new research it is to be submitted to Headquarters where it is worked extensively, comparing it to proven ministry research, etc. Then it is put on the shelf for 6 months then re-worked again. If it proves of merit it is presented to the way corpse for feedback. Then it is presented to the household. You know in the 10 years since this policy came around I cannot remember one time where new research was presented. Not one. So this new policy was billed as something that would allow all to contribute and in reality it was the final nail in the coffin for the way international's research efforts. So, where's the research, eh?

IF this god was a truly unconditionally loving god and father to its creation that so called christians claim it to be it wouldn't have allowed the circumstances to prevail in Haiti or any where else in the first place. The facts are that this god is not the unconditionally loving story book god that so called christians claim it to be.

I love the Flintstones. Just about any Hanna-Barbera actually

Roy, you have the uncanny ability to show more godly love and compassion in your posts......than all we bible thumpers combined. It just takes open eyes to see it. Love, Geisha

God first thanks Composer why would want to fight about it your mind is made up no need prove anything to you that the way they see it but at least some it I did for one but I saw no need to fight small things because every right to believe as """you""" see best with love and a holy kiss Roy