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it's sort of like a domino effect one says this so another says that then it's on some vpw or twi or doctrinal/belief issue because someone said something a certain way or don't understand what was said, and guess accusations and labeling begin and we kill each other it becomes a pattern of reading owns own thoughts into another rather then letting it go and get more understanding of our company no one can read the mind of anyone else patience will bring out the best in all of us so each can contribute and speak freely

Isn't saying "...and please try to focus on the text and what you think it says or have been taught to believe and why, rather than the typical so called christian barrage of insults, name calling, troll accusations, why are you here?, you hate us garbage etc. etc. so typical of self acclaimed christains." insulting and deragatory to Christians on several different levels? GEE, if I could just manage to overcome that tendency of mine to lose track of my thought process after 30 seconds I might be able to come up with a cogent answer for you! :B) Either that or in spite of your lengthy post Composer I feel you are not even close to being in a place where I would consider a serious discussion with you, NOT EVEN CLOSE. I don't willingly tolerate disrespect toward non-christians here composer, at the very least I am not aware of anytime where I let it pass without saying something. And with other proffesing Christians here I have managed to keep a level of respect in spite of our different beliefs. But so far you manage (speaking just for myself of course) to not be imposing, just annoying. __________________________ And just for Roy, God Bless You and I hope the things you desire and share here grow out of you like a fruitful tree planted next to the river. :) __________________________ THAT IS ONE HOT AVATAR SUNESIS! :B)

The notion that I hate people is frankly ludicrous by the fact that I am here assisting story book believers out of their pit of darkness and strong delusion. IF I truly hated them I would just sit back and do nothing and allow them to wallow in their delusion and errors. This I do not do and instead spend a great deal of my time and vast experiences and studies and research in assisting them learn the Real Truth. What they then do with that Truth is up to them, but at least I have done my part by not keeping it to myself. I refer to the story book as a reference because they are supposed to believe it and so I use it to show why they actually do not and also hypothetically speaking, IF there were a Story book Jesus person, it doesn't believe any so called christian that has ever come along outside of the story book is credible or genuine. (As determined by the absolute failure of every single so called christian to legitimately manifest the promises already given to a genuine story book Jesus believer as a test of their faith)

... and your 'godly' motivation is ... ? <_<

You know, this whole discussion makes me think about the controversy that erupts, from time to time, regarding the works of William Shakespeare. (Stick with me; there is a parallel.) For the past 200 years or so, people have debated whether one man was capable of being the author of the many works we attribute to The Bard. Are they the works of one man or a conglomeration of the works of many? That's the essence of the ongoing debate, complete with references, citations and irrefutable proof from both camps. Does any of that matter when Puck frolics about the stage, in Midsummer Night's Dream, practicing his trickery and mischief? Does any of that matter when, in The Tragedy of Hamlet, the observer is faced with real life questions about insanity, incest and corruption? One man wrote it all or a hundred men put their pens to paper. No matter. "The play's the thing."

Of course there is folklore in the Bible. Does that, in itself, detract from its value? I think you have to consider the intrinsic purpose and value of folklore. Folklore exists because people want to preserve information that they feel is important. I wouldn't be too surprised to find that parts of Proverbs or Jesus' parables were derived, at least in part, from "folklore". Why should that disqualify or devalue the messages they contain?

Sadly the story book paints a dismal picture of this alleged story book hypocrite and monster of a trinitarian god. (Even more monstrous than that of the Intelligent designer that has inflicted pestilence, earthquakes, diseases, death and suffering etc. on its creation.) Going back to the story book monster and hypocrite by using the story book text itself that proves this. e.g. This god stepped in to save Isaac and trinitarians lead us to believe it stepped in to save itself when it was in disguise as a Godman babe Jesus but was no where to be found to save Abel and allowed the slaughter of other innocent babes, but protected its trinitarian self (apparently?)-(cf. Matt. 2:16) story book

I would concur that the bible is purely a man made self contradicting story book. I do believe in an Intelligent Designer/ID (God for want of a better word) however it is unworthy of my worship. (Especially unworthy is the alleged trinitarian hypocrytical story book monster of a God.) as opposed to the ID monster of a God. Cheers!