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Bingo cman! And more and more people are realizing that too. :B)

Loved your entire post, Mark! Especially the "list of differences" between God and Jesus. And thank you for explaining how people believe the "holy trininty". I can see their confusion now, clear as day! It's not really as though there is "one God in three persons" as they say they believe, but the way they handle it, it is as though there are three distinct Gods: One God Who created the universe, one God Who (when it is convenient for Him) calls Himself "His own son", and one "rather mysterious" God whose refers to Himself as "The Holy Spirit". It rather reminds me of Greek Mythology where there was a "god for everything"...but Paul distinctly pointed out (as you also showed) that there is ONE GOD. Speaking of "many Gods", it reminded me of a humorous ancedote that happened at work one time. I was talking with one of my friends (who was Catholic) and he showed me a "medal" he was wearing around his neck. He explained that there are several of these for "various occasions". This one was "St. Anthony of Padua", who (among other things) is "the Patron Saint of lost items". He said if you lose something, all you have to do is rub it and say a prayer, and you will find the item soon. So I quipped: "What would happen if you lost the medal? What could you possibly do then?" He looked very puzzled for a few moments. Then he said, "That's not a problem! I'd just go and buy another one." So I agreed with him, saying, "That's exactly what I would do if I lost something. I would do my best to find it, but if I couldn't, I would just go and buy another one." Then we both laughed. Despite our religious differences, we were still friends. I like that. SPEC :)

I don't believe mankind has fallen. That would be God setting up man to fall. Sounds like dictatorship to me. Fallen asleep, I'd say.

Here's a question, or, how would you solve this dilemma? Mankind has fallen. You would like to redeem mankind. You need a "Kinsman-Redeemer" - i.e., flesh must redeem flesh. Yet, flesh cannot redeem flesh, God must redeem. What do you do? How do you, as God, redeem Mankind?

Yeah......."go on staff" and scrubbing their toilets. The dirty little secret is........the cult caste system is so entrenched, one finds all aspects of life dictated to him at work AND at "home" (dorm-style or trailer park living). Weekends are non-essential as the new staffer is given duties to volunteer, or set-up, or usher. Around every corner is big-brother... critiquing, listening, gauging performance, etc. What's more.....the desk jobs and supervisor jobs are ALL taken and have been for decades. The bottom tier of new staffers would be comparable to seasonal UPS workers.....loading/unloading during the graveyard shift. Is there any wonder why twi is having trouble marketing this bottom-feeder position? It's the bottom rung out of a sewer drainage system. <_<

Good summary T&O, kind of what I've been trying to say, but with evidence!