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hey you kwazy skwirrel! me?????..........invited to a ces/stiffy event???????.............ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!! i just get "private" hate e-mails from these offshoot/splinter groups........telling me it's all my fault!....LOL!...........most recently, the owner of your favorite mississippi work farm deposited some of their excess dung my way............boy was that phun..................they lurk here.........they jerk there........but they'll never have the guts to post here and honestly answer the many questions GSC has asked of them through the years.........their wierwille delusions of grandeur still run their lives...........their rationalized guilt and "spiritual revisionism" still give them a "purpose driven life" dedicated to the same old pseudo-intellectual, falsely philosophical, psychosocially dysfunctional, pathological lying collection of plagiarized dogma that gave them "vision" and purpose 30-40 years ago!...........the whole world is wrong, and they're right........facts be damned!...........truths be warped and twisted!..........wierwille's bastardized religion must live on!..........what a hapless psychodrama!....................peace.

Hello all. :) This is for those who read my story of being in Bloomington, In. and seeing a "GOT TRUTH?" bumper sticker on a Jeep and followed the resulting firestorm in that thread. There were some accusations, insinuations, and speculations made about me and my intentions, so I'll clear the air right here and now for those that care to listen. My intentions (when I first saw the bumper sticker) were nothing more than to follow the vehicle to talk to the driver about the current state of CES. Sorry - - I don't like the STF name, so I'm going to refer to the ORG as CES. Anyway - - - I was hardly "pursuing" the vehicle as some seem to think. For those familiar with Bloomington, the Jeep passed me right by Cascades Park (north end of town), and went through town to the hospital, then turned west on 2nd street heading towards the Highland Village/ Walmart end of town and pulled into a Quiznos sub shop parking lot in a VERY public area. I had NO CLUE as to whether the driver was male or female, nor did I care. If they were advertising CES on their car's rear bumper, I figured they might know something that I didn't, thus my interest in a bit of "first-hand-information". Is that asking too much?? When the driver parked and got out of the car, (I'll refrain from using names here - - - Sorry about that Billy D and Paw!) She didn't even realize I was there until I said "Hello!" :) (with a smile in my voice). She walked right toward me realizing there was NO THREAT. As Linda Z pointed out, I'm a tall guy and EVERYONE is short to me and I like to put folks at ease when I talk with them so - - - - - - - I did then what I always do. My left foot went out in front of me, my right knee got bent, to where I'm more on "other folks" level that way. Plus - - - I make it a point to keep an "open" stance with hands/ body language/ etc. to put others at ease. Maybe this is unorthodox behavior to most of you, but I've found that being 8 or so inches taller than most, is intimidating and I like to alleviate that as much as I can when talking to others. If i were to meet someone like Michael Jordan, the opposite would be true! So - - - I was hardly being aggressive, nor did I know her from Adam (or Eve as the case may be), and she volunteered the info that DG was her father. I asked a few simple questions STRICTLY about JAL and CES and his departure. Nothing more, nothing less. No animosity, merely looking for answers. And - - - I find nothing wrong in following a car through town that has a bumper sticker on it, advertising a group I'd like to ask questions about. Following a car advertising a group/ ministry/ whatever/ hardly constitutes "malicious intent", eh? Unless it's by an ex-CES guy following a CES sticker. This next here is for Billy D: I had no knowledge of her history. She offered (immediately) that DG was her father, so I had no idea she had just moved back to the area. You mentioned that I "greatly upset and scared her" by the encounter there in a public mall parking lot. Did she tell you that?? We were both laughing and smiling at the time, and she offered her hand first to shake mine when we went our separate ways. I had NO intentions of "grilling" whomever the driver was about CES. The only question on my mind was about JAL, and that's ALL I asked about. I neither "peppered" her with questions, nor was I "aggressive with animosity". I figured that if DG was her Dad, she must be in the know. I see now that was an egregious assumption on my part, and for that I apologize. My "chip on the shoulder" (as you call it) is for CES, and it grows smaller daily since I figure they are going to do whatever they want to do, and keep their "faithful" in the dark I have not yet (nor do I ever intend to) take it out on individual members. That would be uncool. I hope this explanation of that day in Bloomington satisfies your (and all others here's) questions/ accusations/ etc. I meant no harm. Yes - - - I am proud of myself for being able to follow her all the way to her destination. Traffic in Bloomington is horrendous, and I almost lost her several times! So - - - now that I've (hopefully) explained this a bit better, I hope you understand. My original post was in answer to a question about the BOD of CES. Had I known that my post would cause all-sorts-of-fire-and-brimstone-responses, I might have thought twice about posting what I did. But - - - this site never changes. Even the best of intentions/ posts will always get called into question. Have yourself a great day, eh? David P.S. - - - - The last CES function I was at was the first "Fall Festival" (or something like that) several years ago. There was a guy on stage who did a song about peanut butter to wild cheering from the audience. Was that you Billy?? Or was it someone else?

Hey there Billy - - - not sure if I should fall asleep here or make some popcorn while waiting for you to address me and my questions about your insinuations you directed to me. Are you REALLY sure you aren't a part of CES?? Your lack of response to direct questions suggests otherwise. :) My take (these days) is that CES is TWI with a new set of initials. Oh sure - - - they started out with the "best" of intentions, but before too long they (CES) "morphed" into the very ORG they thought they had escaped. SSDD (I think that can be understood by anyone with a half a brain tied behind their back). And as far as pertains the "meet-up" I had with the young lady in question, you weren't there and I was. So - - - will you answer any of the questions I asked of you?? Or, do you care to answer any of my comments about what happened when it happened?? I'll wait on your response, but neither anxiously nor with baited breath. I have the feeling that I'll get the "party line" should you choose to respond.

godmadegirl1983 - - - thanks for the come back there with your opinions on the topic. I'll have to disagree with you on several points. Number one: I don't see ANYTHING I did as wrong. Question for you here (if I may?) :) Let's say you're interested in learning more about (for arguments sake) a view held by a political party and you see a bumper sticker on a car in front of you in traffic, espousing the "merits" of that party. Suddenly you have a supporter of said party handy for you to ask questions of, and get some first hand knowledge, rather than rhetoric spewed from other sources. Wouldn't you (as an interested person in what the bumper sticker promoted) follow that car (if you could and had the time to do so) to ask questions of the person driving?? That's what I did, and that's what I think anyone who is interested in any "cause" promoted by a bumper sticker might do in my stead. Now - - - I figured that wasn't her Jeep. AND - - - i never knew she was "terrified" as you claim. She was smiling when she and I were talking, and (as previously mentioned), she offered her hand to me first in parting. If she has personal problems, don't lay that on MY doorstep, eh? You (and others) are judging my actions from the CES/STF viewpoint of me being "an ex-member stalker". Excuse me if I have this wrong, but this is the perspective that I'm reading given the comments received so far. Nothing could be further from the truth (GOT TRUTH?). I find it amazing, that folks who weren't anywhere near the area, NOR were there when she and I talked able to offer such competent/ succinct/ and glib replies as to what actually happened. Ya know - - - I'm surprised (really - - I am) to hear that she was so "terrified" of both myself and the situation. She sure as heck didn't show it when I was talking to her. She was both an amiable and friendly person to talk to (although clueless about JAL and CES), and if she was "terrified" (as has been said a couple of times now), she sure-as-hell-hid-it-well and though I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, I would have known if I was causing discomfort. I'm tired of explaining my actions to those who don't have a clue, but love to speculate about others. What I did was strictly for my own info, and for my info only. She looked comfortable there while we were talking, so DON'T tell me I'm a predatory monster of some sort for being curious about a "ministry" I used to support monthly. Oh - - - I have one more thing to add that you (godmadegirl) probably don't know about me. I've been a partner for CES for many, many years, even though I no longer choose to support them. Do you need a back tape from 1990 to 2007?? Perhaps you need a copy of one of the many seminars they've offered? I've got them all, AND - - - I specifically made sure my "partnership" for CES went directly to the Biblical Unitarian site, and also the Truth or Tradition site. Given my past support of the ORG, can you blame me for wanting to know about them (these days)? I've talked to DG/ JS/ JAL/ MG/ Jeff/ and KG when I had questions, and I got some very nice/ sincere/ heartfelt answers that were a whole lot of smoke, with little substance to the "fire". suffice it to say - - - I've contacted the "higher ups", and had gotten nowhere fast. You may be involved with CES (these days) and if you are, I hope you're happy with your choice. I have no use for them, given my past involvement. And - - - if you're hearing she was "terrified" there in the parking lot, someone's blowing smoke. And it isn't me.