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I agree with Waysider – this being a doctrinal forum it would be nice to see scriptural references along with sky4it’s comments which ideally should be a logical abstraction of the scriptural references. I’m no expert on this subject or for that matter any biblical subject – but I’ve read enough systematic theologies, bible studies [NOT by TWI authors, of course] and commentaries to say that post # 1 seems like a lot of speculation and especially rhetoric [empty words – being Christian-like in form [drawing upon some words and/or ideas of the Bible but having no substance – i.e. the lack of specific scriptural references]. Of course, that’s just my opinion I could be wrong.

Would you mind citing some sources?

You know things are screwed up when the limb leader tells you that you have jeopardized your entire spiritual future by ---ummm---err--- "spending Saturday morning" with your new bride instead of cleaning your FLO house. Oh, the shame of it all!