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I remember the Word Over the World Auditorium song by Way productions. :wacko:

When plans were first announced for construction of the auditorium, we were told to always refer to the structure by its full name . We were told that acronyms and abbreviations were unacceptably disrespectful. Does anyone remember this?

It would be interesting to consider what was “taught “ when and by whom. I’ve talked with WC who were there a decade or more before me and it seems they might have actually done something worthwhile. Certainly, they did a more academic sort of training than I did. But by my time, the fog years had been and gone, and so many, who may well have been scholars, left. My WC study day was like this: 8-12 work or private study 1-5 private study or work 7-10 class – note that this comes after a half-day’s work, and also after physical exercise first thing in the morning (running, starting at 5.50am) or some time during the private study time (wood chopping)) What did my Corps do, for its classes? As best I can remember, stuff like this. I don’t have my class notes or any other notes that I made except for a few of my journals, which I can hardly bear to look at.  First thing was to watch all the FNC, INT and ADV class videos. Later, we watched other videos of other TWI classes or from RoA.  Everyone gave a 5 minute talk about something that we were skilled in  Learned to make a succinct introduction/presentation about what God did for us (so that we were always ready to introduce God into any conversation)  Watched a series of videos about the Renaissance (so that we could talk as if we had some knowledge) – they might have been made by the BBC but were old and dated when they were shown to us  Watched a Martin Luther video  Watched VP & Me (LCM’s video)  Did some scraps of Greek (mostly about prepositions)  Did some scraps of English grammar (the sort of stuff I'd learned by about age 7)  Learned to floss our teeth and wipe our bottoms (yes, really)  Song leading, TWI style  How to introduce a PFAL FNC class  Lightbearers (two weeks)  Firearms safety  The Three Rs of raising children  Put on lots of events (when believers from the field would come in, for classes or events) We DID NOT do anything along the following lines (unless it was in private study) - never even touched on  OT history  How the Bible was put together  Early church history (eg, events from first Pentecost to say Council of Nicea)  Anything to do with the Dead Sea scrolls  Greek, Hebrew or any other language at any coherent level  Biblical archaeology, geography or other cultural influences  Orientalisms  Consider the lives of any renowned historical Christian leaders, saints, missionaries or other examples (except for Martin Luther and his stand against the religious hierarchy of the day)  Consider the movement, lives or actions of any other living Christians (eg, founders of hospitals, missions, teachers)  Listen to guest speakers or anyone not TWI-trained  Debate or consider any other points of view  Consider people-handling skills  Counseling people in difficulty (other than Give them the Word!) – eg, how to present what we had to say in the best way it could be received  How to conduct a marriage, funeral, or other notable event  Write considered essays on any topic  Have any work examined, marked, or otherwise scrutinized  Receive any training that might develop any skills that we might have (eg, in research, homiletics) We DID sometimes learn something that might become a trade (eg, gardening, forklift truck, painter, handyman, office administration) and we learned a lot about getting ready for events. Some of us had pretty good skills or professional training when we went in. We were rarely allowed to use those skills or training, as this was “sense knowledge.” Basically, we were kept so busy “serving” that the lack of substance in the “classes” barely registered. I would be really really interested to know what was studied and to what sort of level, in the earlier Corps. If you are able to post, can you also give an idea of when you were in? Did any of it really help you, for yourself or to help others? (Eg, a more rounded appreciation of the Bible because you did Biblical history).

I have this friend I knew in high school. Her name is ****** and her’s sisters name is ******. ******, ****** and me are like best friends, forever. ****** is like one of sweetest, kindest people person I ever met. Her sister ****** too, total wonderful person and sweetheart. Both ****** and ****** never met a person they didn’t have a kind word for. ****** in high school played the guitar and had the love of Jesus in her heart. Then one day she ran to some renegade ex TWI people who put her through the Power for Abundant Living Trash. That whole group fell apart too later. ****** was left with nothing for any Abundant Living because of it. Wanna know what ****** is doing now? She doing life hard time in prison for killing her husband. I blame myself for a while, because I never visited ****** at all after she married. But I couldn’t, it wouldn’t be normal because she was married and she always was kind my sweetheart. I blame some of you people in this room for what happened to ******. Especially you hard core atheists, you were the hard core people that made The Way International possible. You aint even honest with yourselves. The Draconian King Victor Paul Weirwille wasnt hard to figure out. I had him figured out in about 15 months. I went to one as in the number 1 twig meeting. Cause I pretty knew it was a crock all along. I mean just how stupid do some of you people have to be? The man actually said, SINCERITY IS NO GUARANTEE FOR TRUTH. Like you could actually read the bible and believe that, is beyond rationality. Then parade yourselves around here like rationale people. As far as may own rationality goes, its like with ******, its my worst moment. It’s like the time when I shot myself in my own leg, I didn’t need to be a rocket scientist to know that I had messed up. My dear ****** I messed up more, the day I wasn’t looking out for you. I am so sorry ******, I didn’t know how bad you must have been hurting. It’s like what they did to Monica Lewinsky, past another mans sins on someone like her when the truth is never told. Where does it all end. Sincerity is definitely a guarantee for something which is not this. Now, of course, I realize that TWI never did anything to Monica Lewinsky. I simply point her out to show you I understand that people outside TWI could be just as barbaric as former TWI members. I realize that TWI isn’t or wasn’t, the only source of bad tidings in this world. The simple difference being, I really doubt somebody did what they did to Monica Lewinsky, in the name of a bible. Their problem is and was, they are just to good for their own worth. They like a house of cards, a sandcastle, in time. I havent even been able to go visit ****** yet, and I just found out about it a short time ago when I ran into ******’s brother. Its taken me just a while to sort through all this stuff about her. Plus, its hard for me thinking about going to see her, I know how tenderhearted she is and I don’t want to break her heart by having her think I think badly about her. I don’t know what to do. And here is another reason why your Sincerity is No Guarantee for Truth preaching should a been a big stop sign for anybody who heard it. It’s about Psalm 51. Psalm 51 reads like a contract. With respect to Psalm 51 only, there is contractors and then there is contractors. That contract is with those who want to GET RID of there sin. It’s not for those who want to establish there own sin and carry on in it and do it. Literally, they want to do it. Thus, to some people it is completely void because they have not willingness to do the Get Rid of part. It is about commitment and that is why it reads like a contract. Imbedded in that contract is sincerity, acknowledgment, and general attitude towards. You can go up and down in and side to side, and see Psalm 51 distributed everywhere. The bible talks about your heart and your hearts condition. Which is why talking like “sincerity is no guarantee for truth”, is inexcusable. But Dr. Wierdo, was even more barbaric than that. He had to go get other teachings, which other organizations accepted, to mix them in his hodgepodge bag of tricks in order to make himself look only moderately extreme. He had to tell people enough stuff that no one else could reasonably deny, in order to propound his lies. Pure Savagery. I am so sick and tired and broke of hearing about all your crybaby stories about what TWI did to you. Why don’t grow up and act like men, take responsibility for what you did. But you never do that either. You atheists, you run around and blame that on God, like it was his fault for your own deeds. Doctor Wierdo, was always pretty much to the bible, what Osama bin Laden is to peace. He totally butchered it, for his own bread and butter. The truth is, some of you wanted it that way. Some of you wanted it, The Victor Paul Weirwille way. Many of you were told too, by other Christians, that TWI was a hodgepodge cult. Then you act like you never knew that either. Your disgusting, that’s why I blame some of the atheists in this room who were former TWI members for what you did to my ******. You messed up her mind, so nothing ever worked right because of your ABSOLUTE 100 PERCENT INSISTENCE, that somebody like VPW had cookie that even mattered. Then, when it fell apart you parade around like a bunch of victims. You people, some of you, were victimizers. That’s exactly what you were. Have fun then with your atheism, I think you got exactly what you deserved, which is Nothing from God. Look what you did to my ******. Wanna know I come around here? I just come around here to babysit some of you once in while to see if any of you have grown up. Pretty much same thing tho, everytime I come. Talking about what crazy man VPW said and did and where he was wrong. Why don’t you just get through your thick head. That the crackpot Doctor was pretty much wrong from the day he opened his mouth. I knew that from day 1. Why? Because somebody told me to look for The Way International. ****** didn’t have that angle. ******’s uncle was renegade big shot TWI guy. He moved it right into ****** house when she was 16 years old. Thanks a lot to some of you former big shot TWI and now crackpot atheists, ****** is doing life behind bars, because people like you messed up her head. Every last one of you should call her up and apologize too her. She rides in a Minnesota state prison for women. You should do something nice for me too. I come around here been nice to all you people until I heard what happened to my ******. Why don’t just send me a real Doctor cause I’m sick just for talking about Doctor Wierdo. Send me one of those good looking nurses with buttons on her blouse with a shot demoral in her hand. Then she can put that demoral in me and I wont be so sick from having to talk about the Doctor Wierdo. I will tell men exactly why you like TWI and The Doctor was your Captain. You liked your Doctor Wierdo, because he let you do what you want with your Longfellow. You took your Longfellow and did pretty much as pleased. This why the crackpot doctor was so big on renewing your mind. Because you had renew it a lot, because of what you were doing with your Longfellow. I know that the Doctor has been deceased for a long time. But that is what you did way back when, and can’t cut the corner and not say that is what it was too you men. But I know how some of you people think. Some of you think, well why should the TWI cult be responsible for what ****** did to her husband? I mean, does somebody have to go get Jim Jones survivors and explain why mind control helped there friends drink cool-aid. True ******’s situation was not just like that. In fact, what Dr. Wierdo and man pals did was conceivably just as bad. Dr. Wierdo took away ******’s understanding of the Bible so she didn’nt have anything to lean on. At the resurrection, I am sure ****** will be heaven. I can’t imagine God Almighty would ever tolerate somebody doing this a second time again, to somebody like ****** or for what somebody did to Monica Lewinsky for that matter. If somebody tried this a second time again after the resurrection to people like ****** and Monica, I think they would all be dead if they even tried. I am not even going to respond to posts on this thread. The facts are the facts and there is no getting around what you did with your Longfellow. I am just going to go back into the Political Section and post there. Don’t go getting all bitter about it now. Look on the bright side, at least your not an Initiated Calvinist. Good bye.

Because of the Wikipedia "no original research" rules, I can't put it up myself, and besides, I don't know a quarter of them. I am, however, a fairly well-established Wikipedia editor and would be happy to do it based on information posted here. I'd like to know, at the minimum, the following: Splinter group name Splinter group founder and relationship to TWI, Other info that would be useful: Group website Group doctrine Group creation date Anything else useful Thanks.

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In a way, you have to feel kind of sorry for these people. Spend their lives building an elaborate race car for a race that was canceled years ago. Oh, well----Makes a good conversation piece.

Craig was hilarious . . . homo purge . . . that sounds like a sex act . . har har.

Chris just provides the classes and his new advanced class books. Most people who are in those circles haven't seen him at all since the way. Maybe around 2002 our fellowship tried to run one but they required us to start a registered corporation so the checks could be made out to a business checking account. They also have special forms that you have to fill out with a waiver. They give you gold stars in the front of your syllabus every time you do WIGP and you need so many to take their intermediate class. I don't know all the details because we didn't go through the trouble. I heard that for a while the Chicago area couldn't run classes after Rev. Guiarini died because no one was ordained . . . It's clear that he uses the class as a means of keeping all the groups that run it in line. They aren't all the same organization though. Also, the groups that run his classes are into WC's green and black book (which are actually pretty decent if you're into that sort of thing). He's not part of the same group though. In all the WIGP groups there's people who have been kicked out or told they couldn't run a fellowship for some reason or another. There's no shouting or sexual abuse, but they tend to be very persuasive and have a way of keeping everyone on exactly the same page. It doesn't feel like there's anyone in charge when you're in the groups but some how the men of God all agree on everything . . .

I wasn't in TWI when the Auditorium was built. I left in 76 and came back for a very short while around '89. I won't go into the reasons returning, except that I was again studying the bible and didn't know where else to go. I still remember pulling into the parking lot and the first time I saw the Auditorium rather than the old BRC. I literally saw an image of a tree dying from the roots up when I looked at the Auditorium. Going in was worse. I had arrived early and sat in the front row. Still dressed in the type of clothes I would have worn in the '70's Bluejeans and a fairly nice shirt. I was really bugged by the number of people in suits a formals. Then as I looked at the walls I kept "seeing" plaster fall off in places and worms and maggots crawling in the walls. Not to mention how cold everyone was towards me, but it may have been because of the bluejeans. I know some of you no longer believe in this type of revelation, but honestly, I believe that God was telling me to get the H out of there. I've learned a lot since I left the second time and I'm very glad I didn't stick around long.

Is that the guy from Glad magazine? He still owes me some $$ I paid for a multiyear subscription at the ROA in about 86-87 then he stopped publishing it or sending it out or something...Anyway I never got it. Even in all the Weirdness of Way World I was pretty miffed at the time that he would take my money and run. Interesting at your link that the very first thing I saw was Send Me Your Money um "Partner With Us" I went to the partner page and saw this: Exactly the same BS he fed me 23 years ago just with increased prices and a slightly different product Some things never change... I was a "partner" before, It basically means we partner in the deal of him taking my money. I'll pass this time around

We just wish that those who destroy nuclear families would die before the families they separate. We can only dream.

Thanks for that information. I go pretty far back with the family I asked about, and I am sorry, but not shocked, to hear about it.