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Could be...Vic was a lowlife pervert who molested his own daughters...no tellin' if he got off on the danger of young girls hitch hiking...my guess would be yes he did. He was a sicko.

I was in the Corps and I developed some symptoms that were of concern. I let it go for three years, even made jokes about it. One day I said something to my Branch Leader and asked him to pray for it. He was very emphatic that I should get it checked and when I did, it turned out that I was in stage 2 of a cancerous condition. At the time the common thinking was that cancer was a devil spirit. I sank very deeply into shame and self-condemnation. In all fairness I will say that the BOT helped me a little with some bills. Also, I am the one responsible for the actions I took. However, the fear of having to face the fact that I was "Corps" (as if that meant anything) and couldn't believe my way out of my situation led to my hesitation in seeking medical attention. Secondly, I hesitated seeking medical attention because I didn't have any health insurance and that definitely was because I was gallavanting around the country "moving the Word", washing windows, and working at McDonald's, even though I was a college graduate in my late 20's. I finally landed a job with health benefits and that's when I finally got enough courage to seek help. The doctor said if I had let things go another year my condition would have been irreversible. By the way, I am clean. So, the Law of Beleving as taught in the Way about killed me. At least as far as the "believing action" crap that came down. Again, in all fairness, TWI leadership was kind and encouraging once it was diagnosed I had the condition. Even still, it was the doctrine that in large part caused damage. It's been a blessing to read this thread and see some of the miracles God did for some of you guys.

Given all of the bizarre things we were expected to "believe" for perhaps this thread should be renamed "Only Bellevue" I will not completely discard the value of staying positive in life's outlook. Even the medical community has now recognized a higher remission rate in cancer patients with a positive outlook - BUT HOLY SH(T - driving cross country in vehicles that were marginally legal running on fumes - throwing away crutches, eyeglasses (then driving), money, more money, MORE money (gotta get that ABS up ya know), multi-hundred year lifespans... Geezuz that kool-aid had some good psychotropics in in. I can't really post anything that I stupidly believed for in this thread - the damned thing never worked for me (that I can tell) early on so I simply mouthed the phrase and never bothered trying anything radical. Yep - that's right - I went 13 years in TWI and never believed in believing....

And that, I surmise, is the latent danger of this seemingly harmless yet insidious and destructive "law".

Past the pre-PFAL believing for the guy to show up on the door step, I didn't practice believing. I didn't see much in the way of "signs and miracles," so I didn't put a lot of faith in it. I saw a lot of people do stupid things to test their believing and counsel people to do stupid things.

Yes. My employment there was short lived. Thank you for asking.

So...did everything turn out ok? If it's okay to ask, that is?

Believing? Sorry, I wasn't allowed to do that according to twi doctrine. My mog husband did that for me.

Every day of my life...when I awaken, I ask the Lord to PLEASE let me run into a member of twi...my prayer is that they come up to me and begin witnessing to me... ...Of course I will give them a fake name when I attend their fellowship...and they will never ever expect me to spike the punch bowl with LSD...and my gawd what fun it will be when they all start tripping... ...that's when I'll pull out MY tapes....

It wasn't Wierwille's keen spiritual awareness and ability to believe that enabled him to amass a stable full of high priced, vintage motorcycles and classic cars. It was his lack of remorse as he used guile and deceit to fleece the unsuspecting. Lo Shanta LaMaka See Tay---- you move your tongue---you move your lips

Crazy stuff! That's what I'm looking for. Like the time I worked for a company that knowingly required me to handle known carcinogens and I didn't blow the whistle because I could use believing to keep them from hurting me. Cancer is just a devil spirit, anyhow, so renewed mind believing and SIT will keep the trap door shut.---GRRRRRRR!!

Along the same lines as people almost dying because they didn't seek medical attention. . . I had something rupture internally . . . usually that HURTS, but mine didn't. . .it is rare, but does happen. . . I knew something was very wrong. . . but, kept believing for it to just be healed. It went on for a couple of weeks and didn't go away. . . . . finally, hubby made me go to the doctor. . . the Doc was not sure what was going on. . . thought it was a miscarriage. . . and sent me home and told me to come for tests the next day. Here is the miraculous part. . . my file ended up on the desk of the head of Obstetrics at a huge teaching Hospital where we lived. . . a fluke. . . . he had nothing to do with me or even my Doctor. He called me at home and told me he wanted me to come to the ER right away. I hemmed and argued and asked if it was okay to come in the morning. . . he was so very insistent I went to the ER. When I got there I was rushed into emergency surgery. . . a few hours more and I would have died. . . it had ruptured nearly a month before. . . I was pretty much bleeding to death. The timing was perfect . . . not early. . . but not too late. . . how it all unfolded was God's mercy on my silly and stupid soul. I just thought I could believe it away. . . . I still remember that Doctor's name. . . He saved my life. . . Dr. Holliday.

He he good one,As good as it sounds.Dale Seffri# was grounds keeper at twi for like 13 years,probably did know where a few skeletons were buried.(sic)

I think the greatest miracle is,I get up every morning. A story about my son,Wife and I decided we wanted another child,she was 39 I was 40,So my wife gets a baby seat,puts it in the car,she was going to have another child.

That's great, Ham! Hats off to you!

I thought this was something they do every year. I may be wrong. "Congratulations . . .you are this year's biggest looser"

I actually did the believing thing a lot while I was in TWI... I also got many of the things I asked for.. maybe because of what I asked for...THat I just asked for it not specified... One time hitch hiking back from ROA with a friend after my WOW year we asked for a blue Kenworth that could get us almost all the way home.. I swear to you the very next Truck was a blue kenworth and it got us from Illinois all the way to Montana's southern border. we just needed to get a hop skip and a jump home. I also had gotten a huge horrible canker sore in my mouth once and it would not heal.. I was at a branch meeting and hooked up with a different friend(this was when I was in Idaho) and we prayed about it.. Now I was in extreme pain from it and 30 minutes later the pain was gone and by the next morning it was completely gone. I also tried to believe for God to heal my eyesight and also I have a hearing lose in one ear.. none of that got healed. Obviously my believing was not big enough :blink: :) Edited for clarity

Not really. Since he was in TWI, it didn't seem THAT far out there. It did make me look at whoever happened to show up at my door in a whole new way. I did the list before I ever went to my first twig.

We spent our share of time believing for the bills to get paid by God, which always sorta cracked me up, but I played along. We also spent too much time believing for another baby and that one got EVERYone involved to the point where our private life was anything but and of course every lost baby or lack of a baby was my fault cuz surely I was doing something horrible to pi$$ God off that he didn't want me to have that baby. It took 11 years after all; what the heck was WRONG with me, right? We did get the baby and the bills did stay paid but I figure that was 'cuz we worked and spent time alone together as man and wife. Me having the baby probably was some miracle, really, though. I liked the "believing images of victory" since it gave my brain something to visualize that didn't involve another meeting, confrontation or leader to contend with.

I "believed" to have my carpal tunnel syndrome healed, and - lo and behold - it WAS! Unfortunately the "symptoms" returned quite quickly and I spent the next 15 years "believing" for them to disappear. Finally, after my hands and arms simply wouldn't work anymore, I went in for surgery. The doctor said I was tied for being the worst case he'd ever seen in his career (and he was a c.t. specialist). I'd done a lot of damage that never will heal. Funny how when people had undeniable, OBVIOUS issues in their lives (i.e. blindness, paralysis, a missing limb, or - in extreme circumstances - a dead relative) that miraculous healing or raising from the dead NEVER happened. Those type of healings only occured in the "vanishing hitchhiker" sorta narrative. Lesser, more ambiguous healing issues WERE abundant though. Everybody had one of those in their repetoire. Always sorta made me wonder...