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Uhh so who are the "we's" and who are the "they's?" I just don't see it. Is this Dr. Seuss? Star Bellied Sneetches and Plain Bellied Sneetches?

What's the craziest thing you ever tried to "believe for"? Now, first off, I know that some of these might be quite painful or embarrassing. So,it's okay to generalize. In fact, My own experiences involved interpersonal relationships and jobs that, by all common sense and logic, were headed down the crapper. But crazy me. I figured I would could "fix" everything with SIT and "Release From Your Prisons" type magical believing Just gotta get that camera in focus and stare at it, don'tcha know?

I do believe in "believing," but not the way TWI taught it. I'm a big believer that you create your own circumstances. I was a dirt-bag magnet and was pretty fed up with how my life was going. I sat down and made a list of all the qualities I wanted in a future husband. Some of them were negotiable, like hair color. Then I said to God that s(he) would have to put that man on my doorstep, because I wasn't going to go looking for him. That's exactly what happened. Things like that happen a lot.

Here's two: 1. I needed a new job but wanted to travel the world (not an easy thing with my sort of occupation). Then I decided I needed to develop my relationship with God, and wanted to be with some great believers (Way believers, of course!). Nothing was happening until I put God at the top of the list. I chatted with a non-Way friend about my plans, and do you know, the next week in the national newspaper was a job in another country exactly what I needed, 3 months paid holiday at the end of the job... and there was (I later found) a twig in that city. As soon as I saw the ad (which my non-Way friend sent to me, because as a young believer I was expecting some bolt from the blue or who knows what???), I knew it was the answer to my prayer (the job was hopeless because the business collapsed, but the fellowship was sweet, the country great, and I stayed for many years). 2. One of the young men in my twig was under considerable family pressure and was very unhappy. He just disappeared and could not be found. I got very worried about him. My WOW family and I went out to search for him (where to start??). Yet we found him - in a city of over 1/2 million - within 20 minutes inc travel time. I felt we should go to a suburb where a lot of people of his nationality lived; then to a particular street; then up a hill; then knocked on the first door... and there he was. It was his cousin's house. None of us knew the cousin lived there - or anything about this lad's family. I felt rather like Ananias going to find Paul, in Acts.

Okay...your gonna laugh I was believing for a blue jeep CJ-5 with a white "holy spirit dove"on it instead of the eagles that use ta come on them in the late 70's.(now I feel ....embarrased hahahaha)

Of course I don't find the drama silly or funny and I am sure it was hurtful to those involved. What I think is a hoot. . . or a pleasure to see is people relearning to reason. . . something we lost in TWI. It is actually a joy to see. That is what I look for here. I find it all over the place.

Well, I can appreciate that you hate confrontation. . .I really can. . . . but asking for it in a passive way and being surprised when you find it is not a very good way to avoid it. Just a thought. RumRunner, Count me among the Star Bellied Sneetches please.

Part of it is just human nature.. in my opinion.. I think everybody wants to belong somewhere.. with the old organization.. I think we just found the wrong club. A pretty much useless, self-serving lot.. more so than the rest.. I belong to likely about half a dozen "clubs". Now at one point or another, they all could be characterized as being self-serving. The ham club performs public service. Of course it is altruistic and all, but if it does not receive some kind of response, or recognition.. however small, it would feel "slighted".. why? I think because those who enjoy the hobby would like people to know what the hobby is about, its usefulness, and possibly perpetuate the hobby itself. Individuals contribute to hopefully promote a greater good.. then there's the math "club". It is a smaller subset of the higher education club. Same reasoning.. it might be a living, but it must justify itself..is it self-serving? Yes, to some extent.. and there is an "initiation" of sorts. Same for the ham club.. whereas these two mentioned "clubs" perform a useful function in society, I don't see where twi does, or ever did. Some offshoots do a little better..

oh with certain modes of thinking or expression, geisha. it might not be "out there in your face", but it's just something i feel and/or have felt -- some of it subtle -- some of it not. there have been times when i saw such adoration for certain posters and just the opposite for others. i don't necessarily want to bring it all back because i hate confrontation. i know really good people who have left because of a certain air / environment. i find it stifling and i'm very anti-way. thank you for asking.

thank you penworks so much for that article. i remember how my family thought i had changed so much i have found this to even be true here at greasespot

Yeah.. well, what good is power if one uses it.. this is about the third time I've been in a position to either ruin somebody, or start some kind of cult.. who says power corrupts.. heh. The first time.. I was hitch-hiking from Athens to Bluefield West Virginia. Circa 1974. About twelve miles or so, if I remember correctly.. A church bus passed me as I began my journey, and ignored my request for a ride.. right after the church bus passed, I got a ride.. five blocks up, the bus stopped for gas. We passed the bus, the driver unaware of my passage.. the car let me off a half mile down the road. So the bus passed again, twice ignoring my hand signal for a ride.. right after I got yet another ride. This one went about a mile and a half. The church bus had stopped to drop off something or another at a church.. and was unaware of my passage yet again. this happened two more times.. and the fifth time.. the guy stopped the van.. with ashen face.. and asked me if I was an angel, or Jesus.. I could have told him ANYTHING.. and he would have believed it.. "naw.. I'm just as "ordinary" as anybody else.."

Just made some *deals* & its now down to Fort Carson/Colorado Springs area or Boulder...which place has maximum mountains & wildlife??