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Gimme a minute. George

It was, indeed! 61.05% in 1964. I suspect that he got some "It's too bad about Kennedy" vote, though his campaign ad implying that Goldwater would cause WW III probably helped, too. George

So, it's George's turn.

The lines seem vaguely familiar, but I'm not hearing anything yet.

Was it LBJ?

Some of his early stuff.

No oldiesman, that's simply not true, but you can't come to this realization if you won't question why "it had to be this way." I heard someone say recently, "Nobody thinks they need a savior unless they also think they need saving. So this good news wouldn’t even exist if it wasn’t for the bad news, and the bad news is that you are bad; you are inherently flawed; there is something wrong with you at the core of your existence, and it needs to be repaired – it needs to be fixed – you are inherently broken. You have to convince someone why they need the message before you can actually convince them to accept it. The main message of the gospel is not that you can be saved. The main message of that gospel is that you are so bad that you need to be saved. These people aren’t coming to you to deliver good news; they’re coming to you to deliver bad news so that they can give you the good news." Therein lies the problem - an ancient book makes up the problem so it can give you the made-up solution. It does not have to be this way.

Thank you for your post. As a recent atheist, it can often still hurt a lot to see the manipulative side of the crucifixion story. One could say "so what it others still blindly believe and find comfort in it - just be thankful you are no longer one of them and move on with your life." I haven't figured out yet why I'm not following that someone's opinion.

6 Times Jesus Wasn't all Peace and Love In the video above by Kristi Burke, six passages from the bible are talked about in order to show the other side of the belief that Jesus was all about peace and love. One passage is Matthew 10:34-39. It says, "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. 36And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. 37He that loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38And he that takes not his cross, and follows after me, is not worthy of me. 39He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake shall find it. Here are some of her quotes in italics: "Jesus knew his message was radical. He knew that his message would not be accepted by the masses. He was essentially creating his own apocalyptic cult that was branching off of Judaism, and he knew that it would not be well received by those around him – Jew and Gentile alike. So, of course, he knew that they would be persecuted for their beliefs, for following him, for doing something very different and radical." According to the Old Testament, God began the great "us vs them" scenario when he called the children of Israel to be his chosen people. Jesus seems to have continued this theme in his ministry. "To Jesus and his followers, this really seemed to be more of a battle, a spiritual and earthly battle. They were waiting for the kingdom to come here on earth, and they had to accomplish all that would be accomplished including war and persecution and bloodshed before all of that could be done." Again, similar to the history of constant wars against other nations in the OT, Jesus purpose for coming was not to bring peace, but a sword. "You would think that the message of the creator of the universe come to earth [sic] to bring it would find a way to bring people together, but instead, it almost seems that Jesus’ coming was an attempt to make that all boil to the surface so that those who wanted to be his disciples and follow him can walk away, can shut everyone off and walk away, leave their family behind." This was encouraged by twi and even expected if you were participating in their different programs like the WOW, Fellow Laborer, Corps, etc. programs. How many other religious groups/cults have said something similar to this? "At the end of it, he is saying, 'He that finds his life shall lose it: and he that loses his life for my sake will find it.' That’s a dangerous message. He is encouraging people to become martyrs. That is cult-leader behavior – somebody telling you, you might die for me, and I want you to die for me. I want you to be persecuted for me. You’re going to be blessed in the afterlife – don’t worry, I’ll take care of you afterwards, but in this life, you need to be willing to leave your dad and leave your mom, to become enemies with everyone you love and know and follow me even unto death." "Cult-leader behavior" as seen in the Jonestown's story from penworks' post above about the International Cult Awareness Day. Was this not the same mindset as Matthew 10:34-39?

Capshaw, Quaid, and Eddie Arnold were the only three actors from Dreamscape that i could remember off the top of my head. I haven't seen the other two movies. George

The forum About the Way began in order to discuss the Way International and its leadership. It was, and still is, a chance for those who were (and maybe still are) committed to it to look at its "other side" and the damage it caused in people's lives. In this forum, Matters of Faith (Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible), I'd like the same to happen only with Jesus who said he was the way. What was the "other side" of his ministry, and did it include some possible cult-like teachings and practices? If so, how damaging are they to the lives of people today?

That would be him.

Not into it anymore. You can either reveal or wait for someone else to spoonfeed George. No offense. I was kindaf into it but now it just seems to me to be draggin on. I'll wait at this point. (JSYK, I couldn't find another president that meets your criteria).

Dude, read my last two posts. It's someone during my lifetime (born 1956) but no later than 2000. All of those presidents are listed in my previous post. ONE of them hasn't been guessed yet. George

Dennis Quaid? George

For many people, recovery is an on-going process. Think in terms of something like weight loss. You don't reach your target weight and suddenly abandon the effort. I think there's a bit of a parallel in the comparison, but maybe that's just me.

The only two presidents according to what I can tell are William Taft and Calvin Coolidge, and they don't seem like our guy. Calvin Coolidge?

Mainly what I remember of the Jonestown Massacre, as it pertained to The Way International, is that we fervently tried to distance ourselves from any comparisons being made with the lifestyle they lived to the lifestyle we lived. There wasn't much discussion of doctrinal differences. Our concerns seemed to be mostly about public perception. I don't recall much discussion internally, amongst ourselves, questioning whether or not we were deluding ourselves. From our perspective, they were a counterfeit and we were "the real deal". Did I dream all this stuff or did it really happen?

Nope.

Kate Capshaw? George

All I Have to Do Is Dream (Not the first line) "Someday, I don't know how I hope she'll hear my plea Some way, I don't know how She'll bring her love to me." George

If you think that I don't know about The little tricks you've played And never see you when deliberately You put things in my way Well, here's a poke at you You're gonna choke on it too You're gonna lose that smile Because all the while

Jaws 3-D Dreamscape Gang Related

Right. I will get something up!