WayDale > Guestbook Entries 5-18-99 through 6-16-99

Carol Barney - 06/16/99 03:04:04
My Email:fbarney3@columbus.rr.com

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Has anyone been in contact with or seen Jeff & Sherry Barney? I am Jeff's mom and have not seen or heard from them in three years. Their last known residence was The Way, International headquarters. I think they are in their first year of residence in the Way Corps. Please e-mail me if you have any information. God Bless you.

P. Henry Boland - 06/15/99 18:49:16
My URL:http://bigsun.wbs.net/homepages/f/r/e/free2love/
My Email:p.henry@usa.net

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for tif... 1987... there I was... 38yrs old divorced int'l outreach tc who, upon getting involved with them, had 'thrown myself into' the ministry after the loss of my wife and children some 9yrs earlier, the archtypical martyr, (oh, and organizsations like TWI just *love* to get their hands on people like that) longsufferingly 'holding down the fort' back in the IO branch home, running sunday fellowship for those who couldn't afford the rock, about $2800. round trip, totally clueless regarding recent events among the trunk leaders... when here comes my good bud carl back from ohio as well as his home in indiana, and, as his manner is, immediately shoved the entire thing, the adultery paper, PoP, the Lynn tapes, all of it. well, I'll tell you, I was floored... for the last 5yrs or so things just hadn't seemed right, but, of course, because of the Way's renewed mind policy (false doctrine btw... renewing the mind is something GOD does... NOT you!) plus their combined doctrine as a whole, I assumed it was me! why did J. Lynn's teachings not rock like when he did 'will the real you please stand up?'? why did my eyes glaze over as I listened to the latest sns tape where before, when I'd been hungry, I used to hang on every word and get inspired and learn SO much! (even now I know I could go back to the 600-900 series of sns and find some great teachings) why did the teachings in the waymag seem as clear as mud? see, it was just natural for me to blame myself and my failings and be distracted from the real problems TWI was having. I was mad! I mean I was sitting there arguing and getting hot under the collar... defending my loyalty for what had abandoned me a long time ago, and I sat there and steamed as I listened to the first Lynn tape until about half way through the second side, there it was... and it hit me square between the eyes... it was true! all of it! it was then that God gave me a vision... as I saw the entire structure crack and crumble to it's very foundation, being hit full in the face with the realization that all the while I thought I was putting my faith in God, I was really trusting in the organization... (so this was a good thing for me) and I suddenly saw myself staggering as the rug was being pulled out from under me... but then, just as quickly, the staggering ceased and I looked down to see that I was standing firmly in God's right hand! well, I've gone my own way with the Lord since then and He has made me a teacher and apostle, and there's something I'd like to say to you, tif, and to everyone: you can search from hither to yon and find virtually nothing taught about the mystery as the primary doctrine of the church (which it is) in the whole of Christianity... you wont find books about it by Billy Graham, or Oral Roberts, Charles Colson or the rest... in fact, you can go into a Christian bookstore and ask them to do a find on their database and come up with zip! Oh, youll find some sermons regarding those verses in Ephesians and Colossians in some churches but it is never taught in its true biblical emphasis, i.e.: THE MAIN POINT!..... GODS main point!.... GODS message to this day and time and HE has made us ministers and apostles of this gospel! I dont care who you are, if you have heard and really understood the mystery I think you should consider that it was NO ACCIDENT! I think you should stop and consider the considerable spiritual forces (i.e.: the princes of this age) that the bible tells us plainly definitely dont want ANYONE knowing anything about this and in fact, had they known it was coming they wouldnt even have crucified Jesus!!!! in fact the spiritual odds are so stacked against you or anyone ever finding anything out about the mystery it isn't funny... and definately NOT by accident! you have been called as a minister of the gospel of Christ, ie: The Secret/Mystery and you would do we

In Answer to the Previous Poster - 06/13/99 22:18:02

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Please visit the Christian Family Fellowship web site at: http://www.cffm.org It is run by some wonderful believers who left the Way and are now getting back to what The Way once was and should have remained. It's a great place to find wonderful, like-minded believers who manifest the genuine love of God and don't tolerate legalism Do your heart good! Visit their web site and ask for their tape package.

Tiffany McBee - 06/13/99 07:00:26
My Email:UnaLuna777@aol.com

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Greetings to you all in the name of Christ Jesus, I feel that this might end up a little long, but I need to get this out. For awhile now I have been disillusioned by The Way. I grew up in The Way, and have been through the PFAL and Intermediate classes. I was six or seven when VPW passed away, but even at that young age I could feel that something had changed about The Way. I am now going through a period where I am confused and am trying to find like-minded believers in my area to help me. I have attended several churches in my area, but they make my tongue hurt(because I have to keep biting it during the service). grew more disillusioned when, one day in a parking lot a few years ago, I noticed a car with a Way bumper sticker. I left a note on the windsheild stating that I was trying to find a twig in my area. The owner of the car replied, but they had been from out of town. They did, however, provide me with a few phone numbers. I was overjoyed! But that was to end soon. My mother, sister, and I went to the twig which, we had found, was the only one of the numbers which I had been given which was close enoug for us to attend. But we only went once. The whole evening we were there we, especially my mother, were bombarded with questions. I was asked about the kind of music I listened to and why. I was also asked about the clothing which I wore and why. My mother was asked how long she and my father had been separated and why. She was also asked about the home she was, and still is, in the process of buying. There were many other questions, but these are the ones which i remember at the moment. Well, aft r the fellowship, on the way home, we talked about how uncomfortable the questions had made us feel. It felt almost as though we were being interrogated for some reason. Well, as I mentioned, that was the only time we attended that fellowship. Because ess than a week later, before we could go back, my mother recieved a phone call from the coordinator asking that she not return, though my sister and I were welcome back. The main reason which he gave was that my mother had too many debts. What kind of reason is that to deny a believer the fellowship of other believers? At around the same time, my father and stepmother, who live about four hours away, were told not to come back to fellowship, though in their situation it was not the twig coordinator w om had told them this, but someone higher up. And not long after that the coordinator of that same fellowship was told that he could no longer teach fellowship. He lost his twig because his child was hyperactive, and The Way told him that if he could no clam his child down then he could not teach a fellowship affiliated with The Way. But I can remember that it was not always like this with The Way. And my heart aches, after reading the documents contained on this site, to find that it is even worse th n I had thought. But recently I have hungered for the fellowship of like-minded believers, and earlier today my mother suggested that I try looking for a twig in the area again. And while on my way to work earlier I was thinking of this; and that wonder ul, still, small voice spoke to me. And that is how I ended up here at this site. He told me that I should see what has been going on since my last encounter with a twig affiliated with The Way, and that the internet would be a good place to find that i formation. So I went to a search engine and scrolled through many of the sites listed, and this is one of only a few which "jumped" out at me. But even after the way many whom I know and love have been treated like less than the children of God that they are by The Way, I habor no hate or anger toward The Way. On the contrary, I feel love torward them still. I also feel sorry for them that they have been so mislead by the adversary, and I pray that a light will soon dispel the darkness which hovers about The Way at this time. It pains me to know that others now cannot have the same loving experience which I recall from my childhood. But I believe that God has a plan, and that all will work out in the end. If any of you are or know of any believers whom live in or around the Burlington area of North Carolina, please e-mail me and let me know. I believe that I shall be hearing from some of you soon. Until then, God Bless!!! Tif

Steve H - 06/08/99 21:52:52
My Email:Bedman44@aol.com

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The Way has not lived up to it's original vision VPW had for it. To take a trully objective view of the scriptures and then let the word speak from it's inherent accuracy. This principle has helped me in all areas of my life, unfortunately the organizat on has become a broken cistern that only is in to self-preservation of error. It is too bad this principle has become shrouded by religious tyranny.

Larry D. Purviance - 06/08/99 14:36:26
My Email:sueme@micron.net

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I just had to add something after reading Martindale's ranting and raving about the bribery issue. It seems in the Way's theology that the devil spirits are the ones who have the REAL POWER. For the Way now, it is clear that "Devil SPirits" of all shapes and forms are far more powerful than God!!! But for our constant vigilance and exertion of tremendous willpower, God is always in danger of being swept away by far more numerous, talented and powerful devils. I dont know about you, but that isnt a picture of God that I could really trust or rely upon! That doesnt sound like a God who loves us and wants the best for us, a God who relies upon our frail human resources to hold the forces of darkness - barely - at bay!

Larry Purviance - 06/08/99 14:17:20
My Email:sueme@micron.net

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This is a neat web page, although I dont agree that us ex-Wayfers should continue to condemn, harbor resentments, and keep the pain alive forever and ever. Our involvement in the Way was a two way street - the basic message appealed to our OWN character efects and shortcomings. Wierwille promised POWER and control and mastery over life. THat appealed to my bloated ego and grandiosity, my low self esteem and my self pity. I refused to admit that I was an untreated alcoholic and didnt need MORE control ove my circumstances and other people. I'M the ONE (I cant make that judgment about Craig Martindale or Victor Weirwille) who needed to admit POWERLESSNESS and accept the unmanageability of my life. In other words, The Way gave me the circumstances to keep t e sick game of my life going longer. That is not the Way's fault. Once you accept the fact that Christ truly was God, then you also have the REAL POWER, which is God's complete unconditional acceptance and forgiveness. You dont NEED an intermediary to pro ide human acceptance. You dont need somebody to take your own Bible and tell you what it says. The healing takes place when you can forgive the Way as an all-too-human institution that appealed to yuor own sickness. Without the things I have suggested, I m sure that we will go on being angry and hurt

David L. Smith - 06/08/99 12:45:07
My Email:dad2jane@yahoo.com

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1st, some back ground on me: PFAL grad, Sept.'85; W.O.W, '86-'87; Way of CA limb staff, '88; married 12th Corp grad: Karen Sanford, 6'88; fellowship assist. coordinator, Roanoke, VA; "left" the Way - officially - 1989 currently attend Fellowship (not "Way" connected) in Nashville, TN. Could someone tell me what's been happening/has happened with various people: (For obvious reasons, I lost touch with LOTS of people.) Mrs. Wierwille; Johnny Townsend; Don Wierwille; Howard Allen; Norma Kehrer; Mario/Darlene: Way Corps (Laramie,WY-'86); Anyone with the Way of CA; anyone that was W.O.W in WY in '86/'87; what ever happened with all of the wonderful believers in Africa?; Ricardo Cabellaro; Claudettee Royal; any Snelling, CA believers; Gordon & Roberta Gray; Andy Rice; Jeff & Sherry Williams; anyone else that knows me or my wife (Karen Sanford-12th corps). I surely look forward to the Gathering together - WHAT A REUNION that will be!! You may contact me at: dad2jane@yahoo.com

kathy(naberschnig) colon - 06/05/99 15:47:51
My Email:katsea123@aol.com

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HI AND GOD BLESS ALL YOU WONDERFUL BELIEVERS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST!! THE SITE IS GREAT AND SURELY DOES OPEN ONES EYES! BUT LETS NOT FORGET, FORGETTING THOSE THINGS WHICH ARE PAST, AND PRESSING ON TOWARDS THE MARK.. ! WE ALL NEED TO VENT, TIS TRUE BUT BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU SAY. A BELIEVER IS A BELIEVER, WAY MINISTRY OR NOT... EVEN CRAIG. WE NEED TO PRAY AND CONTINUE TO BELIEVE FOR DELIVERANCE FOR THOSE STILL INVOLVED. I TOO STILL HAVE IMMEDIATE FAMILY IN THE WAY, AND YES, IT HURTS, BUT WE GOTTA M VE ON, AND AHEAD. KEEP LOVING THE WAY THE WORD HAS TAUGHT US TO LOVE, AND EACH, DO YOUR PART! WELL... ENOUGH SAID ON THAT... I AM LOOKING FOR A BELIEVER.... IF ANYONE KNOWS OF THE WHERE ABOUTS OF LISA TULLY, PLEASE E-MAIL ME. ANY INFO WOULD BE GREATLY PPRECIATED. LOVE, IN CHRIST.... KATHY

Matt Tiabbi - 06/05/99 07:19:05
My URL:http://www.exile.ru

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Your site here is really great... I have a great site too about cults and stuff. Check it out when you have a chance.

Mark Lee - 06/05/99 01:59:27
My Email:mlee2@vdo.net

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Thank you for making this site as thorough as it is. I find this information is unbiased. It is a great help to all of us who are wanting information on the way international. Thank you very much.

Janet Donovan - 06/01/99 15:04:43
My Email:JDono4401@aol.com

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Great site!!!!! ''''we don't miss the way--but miss the people!! Well---some of them!!

Chris Berard - 06/01/99 14:27:40
My Email:cberard@cvsd.org

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I continue to stay thankful for what God has done in my life in-spite of fallen ministries.I exhort all my wonderful brothers and sister in Jesus Christ to look to Him as the living head of the body.For so many years I was so busy arguing who He wasn`t th t I never took the time to explore who He is.

Patricia - 05/31/99 16:20:33

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Go WayDale! Expose the liars that they are!!!!

David Lorimar - 05/31/99 16:03:35
My Email:dlorimar@hotmail.com

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From reading all the different articles at this site, I can see that the way has changed a lot over the years since I left in 1986. I always wondered what was going on there now. After reading all this stuff and the other sites like No Way Out, I'm glad that we got out when we did. Great job. God Bless!

Rob Agsten - 05/30/99 19:31:32
My Email:rea3@bellsouth.net

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Great site. Thanks for all the hard work so I can come here and mooch. Rob

 05/30/99 17:02:25

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I can truly appreciate the work you have put into this website. I was just a teenager when I was involved in the ministry. I grew up in the ministry. All of my friends were there. I went W.O.W. with my parents and went through rough times and good. I live only an hour from Headquarters and have wondered what is going on in there. I went to Headquarters about a year ago, just to visit, to see how it looked, and rekindle a few fond memories. I was treated like a criminal, I was removed from the Word Over the World Auditorium which is now called "The Dr. Weirville Pavillion". It hurt and I cried. I have wonderful memories. I learned a lot. And when the world came crashing down all of my friends disappeared. I scan the Internet looking for lost loved-ones, wondering if they are still involved in the Way or not. Wondering where they are and how they are doing. I wonder if they have lost faith in God, like I did for awhile, or if they have the same zeal they had so long ago. I miss the love and understanding that we all used to share. I have tried numerous times to find a church to attend, but my searches are in vein. I have learned so many truths from the PFAL and other classes and teachings I attended, that many of the churches I go to are (for lack of better phrasing) below me. Again, I do appreciate the information on this website, but I also want to share my disappointment. I know that it was hard, going through the downfall, but didn't we learn alot? Didn't we meet and love wonderful people? The Way International at one point was wonderful and it saddens me to read such ridicule of the past. I loved my time with the Way and miss the brotherhood that existed. I scorn Martindale for the hatred he has put in people. Parts of my immediate family don't talk to each other anymore because "They are in the Way", or "They are not". God is still God. God still loves us, every one. God does not shun us because we attend this church or that. The Way taught us that there are "Believers" everywhere. Catholics, Methodist, Baptists, and, yes, Way attendees. The thing that was taught to me and has stuck with me ever since, was that God loves us all and it is up to us to love each other. We must. We are brethren. We are all the Body of Christ. Mistakes were made and some will pay for those mistakes, but what about the ignorant and innocent? We need to come together as the Body and Love All. I am sorry if I have rambled. I guess I have a lot of old sorrows and kind thoughts. I have never expressed them to anyone and so now, you all, get the brunt. Thank you for the Website and Thank you all for reading my passage and allowing me to express my happiness and regrets..

Tony Almora - 05/30/99 02:06:28

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Great site! I love the new gallery.

Chris Berard - 05/28/99 22:23:35
My Email:cberard@cvsd.org

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I continue to stay thankful for what God has done in my life in-spite of fallen ministries.I exhort all my wonderful brothers and sister in Jesus Christ to look to Him as the living head of the body.For so many years I was so busy arguing who He wasn`t that I never took the time to explore who He is.

Gina - 05/27/99 22:42:31
My Email:Ginahides@hotmail.com

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WOW, did this site come far quickly! I only saw it in the first few days after you started. Great work! bless ya, Gina (Non-Jester)

Charlie Johnston - 05/26/99 18:58:45

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Thanks for all the work on the site and all the new articles. WayDale is becoming a daily stopping off point for me! Keep it up

Debbie - 05/25/99 17:52:13
My Email:bbbbrons@bellsouth.net

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Go Garth! Enjoyed seeing the sites and reading all the comments.

Danny Hummel in Iowa - 05/25/99 16:57:54

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In reading some of the documents, especally about Craig and the gifts and other things, It really looks like he is paranoid about what the current people in the Way will find out. To me they should find out every little detail about what Craig is doing. E en if it means taking the time to give the current members proof in person. What is happening needs to be told!!!!

Jim Dziadkowicz(Hills Bro) - 05/24/99 16:08:59
My Email:realclen@frontiernet.net

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God Bless you all. I see the gang from trancenet is all here. Where is Groucho Marx Jr ? Just when I thought was about to figure out who he really was trancenet crashes. Well , I promise I'll be polite, as requested, and through some humor in every now a d then. Love you guys. Jim Hills Bro. P.S. Hey Garth, I checked out the Dialoge forum in CES and saw your posts. You were really throwing some heaters out there. GOOD STUFF !!

Brenda - 05/23/99 05:22:49
My Email:Ambassador7@webtv.net

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A heartfelt "thank you" for having the courage of your convictions and the willingness to expose the prevailing darkness! Nothing speaks more loudly than the documents you have shared here. I had the benefit of the original PFAL series, for which I am eternally thankful. It was the truth of the Word, God's heart, that allowed me to discern enough to recognize the insidious subtlety of the errors and lies. All of us who love God and His Tru h can benefit from this information, as we continue to endeavor to walk in love.

Hippoc_rat - 05/20/99 19:06:50
My Email:Hippoc_rat@excite.com

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Stunning work! Keep it up.

Yankee - 05/20/99 02:51:07
My Email:Baglad1@aol.com

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Thank you for all the work involved in putting together this site. There are many hunger hearts longing and searching for current information about TWI. This has been truly an eye-opening experience. Keep up the good work.

Victoria Nicholson - 05/20/99 01:58:49
My URL:http://members.delphi.com/CoolWaters/index.html
My Email:CoolWaters2@webtv.net

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This site has made me realize that the twi I came from and the twi of today are very different things indeed. It has helped me to realize, too, that I cannot and do not have much of a clue as to what folks were exposed to in the last 9 years of twi. I am so sad to read/hear the things here. I remember the days when Craig and Donna Martindale were just like the rest of us: wanting to walk with the Creator of the heavens and the earth. The pain the Martindales manifest is so very sad to me. This site shows how important it is for us to be diligent to keep our hearts tender towards one another and keep our eyes on the truth of who we are in Christ.

Mike Hadsell - 05/18/99 19:39:52
My Email:Thaibxr1@aol.com

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Great post. I'm glad someone had the guts to do this. God Bless. Mike

 
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